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Originally posted by 250:

if people cannot face their own failures, weakness, hurtful feelings, it only mean one of the two things:
1. they are not ready to face it yet (either to acknowledge them, or to realzie they actually exist)
2. they are too comfortable and familiar with the old pain to recognize the new (and true) ones

If they are not ready to face it (or too comfortable with it), they cannot ignore it, and therefore it is not their choice

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Sheesh - relax! OK, so you didn't mean ignored. Then I still would like to know if you meant to say this:

"So what you're saying is that if people REALLY tried, all negative emotions can be dealt with, and that if they can't make that work, it is essentially a failure on their part, a lack of strength of will? Or am I misunderstanding?"

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Originally posted by Lord Shield:
and don't forget that "who YOU are" depends entirely on your upbringing/social life/background

If that was hell, then the choice is hardly a choice? how can a child just shrug off abuse for instance?

again, you are playing the "what if" game

so how can a child shrug off "abuse" ?
is it fair? no

but i am not discussion "fairness" here
when this child grow up, she probally view this world as a angerous place, feeling extremely insecure, will not trust in oppositte gender memebers, or not have a healthy relationship, or experiencing social difficulties

either way, she is hold on to the past, she IS letting the past continuely dominate her life. she has been abused, and she IS still being abused, and she WILL be abused if she does not acknowledge the problem, face the brutal truth, hurtful past

got my meaning?

all those she can do to make changes, is her CHOICE

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Shield:
If they are not ready to face it (or too comfortable with it), they cannot ignore it, and therefore it is not their choice

Exactly!

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Quote:

Originally posted by 250:
again, you are playing the "what if" game

so how can a child shrug off "abuse" ?
is it fair? no

but i am not discussion "fairness" here
when this child grow up, she probally view this world as a angerous place, feeling extremely insecure, will not trust in oppositte gender memebers, or not have a healthy relationship, or experiencing social difficulties

either way, she is hold on to the past, she IS letting the past continuely dominate her life. she has been abused, and she IS still being abused, and she WILL be abused if she does not acknowledge the problem, face the brutal truth, hurtful past

got my meaning?

all those she can do to make changes, is her CHOICE

No, IMO it's not, because has it occurred to you that there are things on this world that are just too bad to deal with for anybody, no matter how hard you try?

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Originally posted by Lord Shield:
If they are not ready to face it (or too comfortable with it), they cannot ignore it, and therefore it is not their choice

dont play word game. it IS choice
how do you think the experience hurt them so bad?
day by day, they live in misery of their own, and the longer that pain hurts them the harder to be ready

actually, I am saying "they are not ready" is just to offer some comfort to whoever may view this

now here is the brutal truth

you will NEVER be ready
the time to be ready is NOW
take action NOW
choose to face your problems NOW
choose to go back to that dark place of your memory NOW
face whoever is hurting you, NOW

"not ready" is an excuse, I apologize for not giving that bit of truth

I agree with Mel. Let's see YOU lose a child and just "make a positive choice", eh?

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Originall posted by 250 (alot of them anyway) http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

so what does that has to do with our topic?
ahhh, i see, you are trying to prove "not everything is controlable"

http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
well, i like debates since it gives me a good insight on things i never quite thought of before. you have points i have never truly thought off and i thank you for that... your a good debater since i last debated with Yorick (and that was a long time ago )

we cannot ignore the EFFECT and what experiences an incident cause to people when we talk about incident

that baby died, so this incident means virtually nothing to him

then we need to discuss what impact the child's death has? well... shall we continue?

??? i dont get it???

you view the world through the colored glass of your experience. if that glass is suspcious, then the world is a dangerous place. if that glass is naive, then the world is a trusting place. if that glass is impatience, then the world is a frustrating place. if that glass is anger, then the world is a hurtful place

im begining to understand you now about this one http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

events only affect your feelings
your feelings in turn change your personality, your view of the world
which leads to changes in decision making in the future
which affect your way of life (fate)

good logic !! but i cant seem to relate it with what you have said regarding my latest example, enlighten me if you will...

hacker rule number 1:
if someone can do it, I can do it

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Quote:

Originally posted by Melusine:
No, IMO it's not, because has it occurred to you that there are things on this world that are just too bad to deal with for anybody, no matter how hard you try?

you know who Dr Waco is?
he was sent to Nazi concentration camp for 20 years
they murdered his wife, parents, children
he was told when to sleep
he was told when to sit
he was told when to eat
he was told if he can live or die

you know what he discovered in the camp? he discovered that no matter how he is tormented, his captors CANNOT force his feelings to his condition
he wanted so much to share with the world this discovery, that he knew if he died in the prison, his life would be a waste, nothing. therefore came the commitement for survival, and he lived through hell

well, what can be worse? WHAT can be too hard to deal with?

Melsuine, I know you are probally hurt, a lot. you are just like that friend of mine. she was hurt, badly, and she was not reacting truthfully to her past, not facing them, not acknowledging them. and her raction had hurt me REALLY bad

you understand what I am saying here? I know how it is to live a hurtful life

Originally quote by Lord Shield
I agree with Mel. Let's see YOU lose a child and just "make a positive choice", eh?

i think that 250 meant in positive choice is not be happy or celerating over a child's death (especially yours) i think he means that positive choice is where you gather up your strength, get over your depressions (after a while, not right away) and live and not be depressed forever or you could help dontate money or make an institute about the disease on what killed your child... is that it 250?

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