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Jim 02-22-2003 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Alson:
That's 6 with Vhailor's Helm if your current XP is bigger or equal to 7500000 -- which means you'll have to be level 33. ;)
Hmmm, reflecting on that statement I made, the Simulacrum copy of yourself, even when you're at level 34, won't be anywhere near level 23 (infact, it's around level 17....just tested), i.e. unable to summon skeletal warriors at all, so you'll be stuck with 3 of them. Still, a great aid in battle.

[ 02-22-2003, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Jim ]

Alson 02-22-2003 10:37 AM

I always forget whether the Simulacrum's level is XP or level dependant.

*slaps own forehead*

[ 02-22-2003, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Alson ]

Jim 02-22-2003 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alson:
I always forget whether the Simulacrum's level is XP or level dependant.

*slaps own forehead*

No need to slap! Simulacrum is supposed to create a copy that is 60% of your current level/HP etc (so your XP calculations were spot on!), but the Vailors Helm version (not sure if this is different to the level 8 arcane spell) creates a copy that is at 50% of your current level (level 17 for a level 34 paladin, or level 20 for a level 40 fighter etc etc), but 60% of your current HP .....wierd.

Alson 02-22-2003 10:55 AM

The whole implentation of Simulacrum is, well -- to put it bluntly -- screwed up. :( While working on the Spells Reference, we tried to figure out the formula. Here's our best findings (albeit still not 100% accurate!):
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A Simulacrum is implemented as a level drained clone. Its level is <font color="white">not</font> 60% of the caster's, but is determined as follows:

Single-classed mages: Original caster's level - (caster's level / 2)

Multiclassed mages: Original caster's level - (caster's level / 2) for each class

Dual classed mages: Original caster's level - (caster's total levels / 4)


Rounding is unclear for multiclassed mages, sometimes up, sometimes down. Dual classed mages have a clear advantage here. The bigger the difference between their classes, the less levels the clone loses. Note the difference between caster and original caster. This is explained further in the cheese note below.
Quite dubious, as you can see. And it goes on! A Simulacrum is an illusion -- so why isn't it dispelled by True Sight?! Not to mention Dispel Magic... :rolleyes:

[ 02-22-2003, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: Alson ]

tower 02-22-2003 11:15 AM

I consider the other 2 Dragon armours in the games quite useful - especialy the Blue one. ToB doesn't add very many armours (2 bad)

Annatar 02-22-2003 12:10 PM

<font color=white> Wich dragon armor in the game is <font color=blue>Blue</font> ?

Mod Spoiler: <font color="#3D2F1B">
You are probaly reffering to the TDD mod., that includes a Blue Dragon Scale Armor IIRC (Topaz Dragon needs to be killed for this suit of Armor). </font>

Also delete one of your posts Tower, because you have multi-posted it ;) .

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[ 02-22-2003, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: Annatar ]

Sir Exxon 02-22-2003 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Annatar:
<font color=white> Wich dragon armor in the game is <font color=blue>Blue</font> ?

Mod Spoiler: <font color="#3D2F1B">
You are probaly reffering to the TDD mod., that includes a Blue Dragon Scale Armor IIRC (Topaz Dragon needs to be killed for this suit of Armor). </font>

Also delete one of your posts Tower, because you have multi-posted it ;) .

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<font color="gold">ToB-spoiler:
*</font><font color="#3D2F1B">You are right - there isn't any Blue Dragons in SoA. However, there is a Bhaalspawn called Abazigal.</font><font color="gold">*</font> ;)

Annatar 02-22-2003 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sir Exxon:
</font><blockquote>Quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Annatar:
<font color=white> Wich dragon armor in the game is <font color=blue>Blue</font> ?

Mod Spoiler: <font color="#3D2F1B">
You are probaly reffering to the TDD mod., that includes a Blue Dragon Scale Armor IIRC (Topaz Dragon needs to be killed for this suit of Armor). </font>

Also delete one of your posts Tower, because you have multi-posted it ;) .

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<font color="gold">ToB-spoiler:
*</font><font color="#3D2F1B">You are right - there isn't any Blue Dragons in SoA. However, there is a Bhaalspawn called Abazigal.</font><font color="gold">*</font> ;)
</font>[/QUOTE]<font color=white>Hmmmm, I didn't knew that because I do not have ToB.

But Abazigal is a <font color="#3D2F1B"> Blue Dragon </font> then?</font>

[ 02-22-2003, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Annatar ]

Zarr 02-23-2003 10:45 AM

Spoiler!
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Yes Abazigal is a blue Dragon he changes into it after you beat his human form.

karlosovic 02-24-2003 09:33 AM

I have another question

what is the best (or several of the best) armours that count as max studded leather ? for thieves, ranger kits etc ??? shadow dragon works doesnt it ? what others and what bonuses do they give ?


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