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frudi_x 08-24-2004 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Bozos of Bones:
It's always a good feeling to lose 108 men and kill 1435.
my record is 3526 kills for 86 troops lost [img]smile.gif[/img] . this and another similar defeat must have put a huge dent in the pope's self-esteem, he hasn't reappeared since :D

Memnoch 08-24-2004 12:15 PM

Well, I ran Rome TW on my PC and it worked fine, just the slightest bit of sluggishness but nothing noticeable. I'm going to have to get used to not having the bar at the top and at having to right-click instead of left-click. :eek:

johnny 08-24-2004 01:32 PM

Just downloaded the demo, and played that historical battle. There's not much that can go up against those warelephants, is there ? :D

Sheesh, how am i gonna beat that when i play the Romans myself ?

Btw... they have that same annoying rule as in Medieval, as long as there's one single enemy on the battlefield, you haven't won. I'm sure everyone who plays this game had one of those moments, your troops are searching all over the map for one or two forgotten ballista crewmembers or something like that. :rolleyes:

Bozos of Bones 08-24-2004 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by frudi_x:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bozos of Bones:
It's always a good feeling to lose 108 men and kill 1435.

my record is 3526 kills for 86 troops lost [img]smile.gif[/img] . this and another similar defeat must have put a huge dent in the pope's self-esteem, he hasn't reappeared since :D </font>[/QUOTE]I was talking about the Rome:TW Trebia map. You start with 800 units, the enemy starts with 1500. And no, you're not advanced, nor are you overpowered. Underpowered, if anything, because the Romans have some cool stuff aswell.

Luvian 08-24-2004 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by johnny:
Just downloaded the demo, and played that historical battle. There's not much that can go up against those warelephants, is there ? :D

Sheesh, how am i gonna beat that when i play the Romans myself ?

Btw... they have that same annoying rule as in Medieval, as long as there's one single enemy on the battlefield, you haven't won. I'm sure everyone who plays this game had one of those moments, your troops are searching all over the map for one or two forgotten ballista crewmembers or something like that. :rolleyes:

Well... in the Rome Total War Demo, after I killed the ennemy general and made the ennemy units run, they asked me if I wasted to stay and butcher or just leave.

StigTC 08-24-2004 07:32 PM

Yup, I noticed that too Luvian, no reason for the general to stay while your troops are scooping up the leftovers apparently. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Memnoch 08-25-2004 03:27 AM

I like the new scrolling feature that pans the camera when you lower down as well. Only thing that's confusing is that there are now a hell of a lot of flags on the field and it's a bit hard to work out who's who, but it looks awesome. :D

Back on my Medieval game, I restarted from an earlier save and have to conquer Petrivapol (or something??) near Volga Bulgaria again...bloody dying monarchs - there's nothing you can do if your monarch dies without an heir? What about the uncles etc with royal blood?

johnny 08-25-2004 03:51 AM

Nope, when there's no heirs, your bloodline dies, and your kingdom and armies will become rebels. In other words....game over. :D They already had those rules in Shogun Total War, and hasn't changed in Medieval. Kinda silly if you ask me, in real life, there were dozens of nobles, or even armygenerals lining up to take over the throne.

Luvian 08-25-2004 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by johnny:
Nope, when there's no heirs, your bloodline dies, and your kingdom and armies will become rebels. In other words....game over. :D They already had those rules in Shogun Total War, and hasn't changed in Medieval. Kinda silly if you ask me, in real life, there were dozens of nobles, or even armygenerals lining up to take over the throne.
Yes, but your familly line is over, so your story is over.

johnny 08-25-2004 09:19 AM

Check this out guys, i just found this on another board.

http://www.hellenictotalwar.com/pages/htwpag.html

It's a mod for MTW, it requires the Viking expansion though. Read the guidelines carefully, you may need to reinstal the game and get the latest patch, but it seems more than worth it. Be sure to check out the screenshots.

StigTC 08-25-2004 02:14 PM

Why oh why do the golden horde have so much cavalry, I no longer have any use for all my swordsmen when fighting those barbaric bastards.

frudi_x 08-25-2004 03:57 PM

StigTC, whenever possible fight cavalry in the woods! woods on hills are even better (your swordsmen being on the top of course [img]smile.gif[/img] )
this works best when you're defending so you can choose your starting position. but even when attacking you can hide in the woods and try to lure the enemy at you.
for me these guerilla tactics turned out A LOT more effective than taking them on with my own heavy cavalry.

Dreamer128 08-25-2004 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by johnny:
Just downloaded the demo, and played that historical battle. There's not much that can go up against those warelephants, is there ? :D

Sheesh, how am i gonna beat that when i play the Romans myself ?


Quite simple. They have some kind of agressive pigs that cause the elephants to panic and crush their own troops. :D

[ 08-25-2004, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: Dreamer128 ]

johnny 08-25-2004 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Dreamer128:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by johnny:
Just downloaded the demo, and played that historical battle. There's not much that can go up against those warelephants, is there ? :D

Sheesh, how am i gonna beat that when i play the Romans myself ?


Quite simple. They have some kind of agressive pigs that cause the elephants to panic and crush their own troops. :D </font>[/QUOTE]That's a joke right ? I didn't see any pigs in the demo, or am i going blind ? :D

Dreamer128 08-25-2004 06:49 PM

Nah, it's not in the demo. But I've read a few previews. It's the only weapon against those killing machines. Those elephants can punch a hole the side of Hawaii in your lines. If the enemy were to send some cavalry through, I think you'd have some serious issues. The only alternative I can think off is concentrating all your archers on the elephants in the hopes of driving them off. As for the demo; how do you guys win the battle? I attack and kill the Roman Equites (light cavalry) early, then wait until the rest of the centre has passed. When the first line of their infantry reaches the hill, I order my elephants to plunge straight into their lines. I then send the phalanx (centre) and barbarian mercs (flanks) forward to engage their front lines. In the meanwhile, I use all my heavy cavalry to attack their flanks and my missile cavalry to support my main infantry force. Eventually, they are completly surrounded. Works like a charm so far. Only 170 men lost, as opposed to well over 1400 enemies casualties. I think I can do better, though.

[ 08-25-2004, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: Dreamer128 ]

johnny 08-25-2004 07:06 PM

Well, i used the good old frontal attack, no pain, no gain. :D Cavalry and elephants first, then the infantry. There wasn't much left of my army afterwards, and even Hannibal himself fled the scene at a certain point, but in the end i came out victorious. Who cares about casualties, right ? [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Dreamer128 08-25-2004 07:15 PM

Well.. it's fun if there is actually someone left alive to congratulate you on your achievement ;)

Memnoch 08-26-2004 05:08 AM

Getting back to Medieval, I'm thinking of starting a new game (since my king died) and playing as another faction...maybe a Muslim faction. What's a good faction to play as?

Dreamer128 08-26-2004 06:12 AM

I played as the Egyptians, since they have a pretty good starting position. I hear the Turks have superior units, though.

Jaradu 08-26-2004 06:36 AM

I had a problem with the Turks as well, Dreamer. Wipe them off the face of the Earth as soon as possible - they can become the most devastating country on the map.

Memnoch 08-26-2004 06:47 AM

I might go for the Turks...I've always wanted to be called Suleiman... :D :D

StigTC 08-26-2004 06:52 AM

I was planning to play a game as the German holy roman empire next, just because it's the most difficult area to attack otherwise. There's simply no way that you can keep the entire front line occipied when going through German territory, requires too many troops because of the high number of regions you have to occupy, I hate it.
Besides, they get gothic units in the late era, they rock.

But if you insist on playing as muslims, I'd say that all 3 of them are equally good. But in the late game it really is the catholics that shine if you ask me.

Dreamer128 08-26-2004 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by Jaradu:
I had a problem with the Turks as well, Dreamer. Wipe them off the face of the Earth as soon as possible - they can become the most devastating country on the map.
Oh.. I wiped them out before they became too powerful. Of course, then I had to tangle with the Byzantines, who quickly became the most powerful nation on the continent. They even bested The Horde. The good thing about the Egyptians is the relatively small front line (as long as you stay in the south). After you take Spain, you only have to defend two countries there. Personally, I snatched England and Western Europe as well. Then I waited for the Mongols too weaken the Byzantines before launching an all out invasion. It was still hard though, since they had sea superiority.

Memnoch 08-26-2004 07:35 AM

Hey, I found this great site which allows you to compare each unit and see the chances of victory/defeat for each. Gee those Teutonic Knights look pretty mean. [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img]

Check it out!

Unit Comparison Guide

Bozos of Bones 08-26-2004 09:31 AM

Erm... that's a chinese link... with no links. I'm guessing it's a chinese page gone bad, and that this is the chinese 404 error.

Memnoch 08-26-2004 09:42 AM

The link's right, but the site seems to be down at the moment. Try again a bit later, it's well worth it.

StigTC 08-26-2004 12:19 PM

I found a small program for the same purpose, apparently the gothic foot knights are the best unit in the game. They can even take down the gothic knight. Is anyone else wondering why they'd even bother with the horse then?

Djinn Raffo 08-26-2004 12:53 PM

Try the Almohads MagiK.. they're one of my favourite factions to play as.

The pigs in Rome you actually set on fire and send them towards the Elephants..but they can also turn and run right into your own men as well.

The best thing to use against the elephants in the demo (if you picked up the play as Romans mod) is light troops and skirmishers in a loose formation.. that is if you can manoevre yourself into a position to attack Hannibals army in such a way.

johnny 08-26-2004 02:33 PM

I've played two full campaigns with the Turks myself, and i found them easy to play. From early on i allied with the Egyptians, so i didn't have to worry about my back, and i attacked the Byzantines who have large lands and are quite vulnerable in the beginning. I conquered all their lands and stopped my advance after sacking Constantinopel. From there i concentrated on beefing up, and preparing for the inevitable Mongol invasion, chopping my former allies the Egyptians to bits in the meantime. Piece of cake. :D

Btw... did anyone try that link i posted earlier in this thread ? I'm curious if anyone played it yet, and what their opinion of it is.

Djinn Raffo 08-26-2004 03:14 PM

I've played the Hellenic mod before.. i didn't really like it that much but it was ok. I also tried the Napoleonic one which was not that good.

The best mod for Medieval imho is the Medmod because of the much better balance it offers.

[ 08-26-2004, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

Jaradu 08-26-2004 03:23 PM

Question: How do I send troops through neutral/allied provinces without turning them hostile? :rolleyes:

And is there any way to get troops through a hostile province without being attacked (eg. if your objective is blocked by a province)?

Thanks.

[ 08-26-2004, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: Jaradu ]

johnny 08-26-2004 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by Jaradu:
Question: How do I send troops through neutral/allied provinces without turning them hostile? :rolleyes:

And is there any way to get troops through a hostile province without being attacked (eg. if your objective is blocked by a province)?

Thanks.

No go, sending troops into hostile lands will always lead to a battle, unless they retreat. Sending troops through neutral lands will turn them hostile towards you, unless it's an army on a crusade. That's the only way to move through neutral lands without making new enemies.

Jaradu 08-26-2004 03:59 PM

Thanks, johnny... And allied countries?

johnny 08-26-2004 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Jaradu:
Thanks, johnny... And allied countries?
Same thing, if you march into allied lands, you get the option to declare war on your allies, or to retreat. If you retreat, no harm is done, if you stay, your ally will either attack you, or retreat. Either way, you have a war on your hands. Unless it's a crusaderarmy, like i said before.

There's only one option which allows you to march into allied lands, and that's when an invasion is going on. In that case you can combine your army with your ally and drive the invaders back. Once the battle is won, your troops will automatically move back to the land they came from.

[ 08-26-2004, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: johnny ]

Jaradu 08-26-2004 04:19 PM

Bummer... so I guess it's only emissaries/assassins that can go through lands?

johnny 08-26-2004 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Jaradu:
Bummer... so I guess it's only emissaries/assassins that can go through lands?
And princesses, you can use them to make allies. I never do that though, i give them to my generals to increase their valour, what else are they good for eh ? :D

Jaradu 08-26-2004 04:44 PM

Cheeky! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

So, how do you give them to your generals? And how do you marry them off - just send them to an ally's country?

johnny 08-26-2004 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Jaradu:
Cheeky! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

So, how do you give them to your generals? And how do you marry them off - just send them to an ally's country?

Just pick up the princess and drop her on the general of your choice. After the next turn, the weddingbells will sound, and you'll receive a message that you honored the general greatly by giving him your daughter's hand. He'll get an extra star or something, maybe even more than one, not sure. In case you want to marry your daughter with a general of a neutral power, or even a king, just carry her to the land of your choice, and drop her on the man in question.

Jaradu 08-27-2004 04:06 AM

Huh? Biiig problem!

I can't run Medieval: Total War!

Whenever I try to load it, it just stays on a black screen so I have to press ESC to get out, at which point it does the whole WIN XP "We are sorry for your inconvenince... blah, blah... shut this program down".

The last thing I installed was the Windows XP Service Pack 2... hmmm....

ADD) Okay, after turning on the sound ( :rolleyes: ) it turns out that the intro movie is playing... I just can't see it...

[ 08-27-2004, 04:10 AM: Message edited by: Jaradu ]

Memnoch 08-27-2004 05:30 AM

Maybe your videocard settings got changed somehow?


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