Perhaps you would have received less vehement responses if your own opening post had not been so full of sarcasm. Seems almost trollish in its apparent intention to draw flames. But I digress.

I will say (in reference to your response to Diogenes) that I don't appreciate the overall view that Americans are apparently weak-minded sheep who follow their leaders without question. I know you didn't come right out and say that, but that is how you come across when you talk about 'Bush propaganda'. May I ask who made you an expert on propaganda to know just what is and what isn't propaganda in this situation? And even in your replies to people, you are still highly sarcastic and twist words.

I agree that America's government has made some very poor decisions on our behalf. Unfortunately, you have to take some bad with the good. And I am VERY aware of our actions in other countries (particularly the Middle East) that have led up to the actions the terrorists took. HOWEVER, as Yorick (I believe) said - that doesn't excuse or explain away the lives that they took.

I am very curious as to what all of these "great evils" that certain people say America has commited are ...... the only thing that comes to my mind is the Israel situation .... but I don't look at that as much as an evil as it is a misunderstanding, what is so evil about giving people the land that once belonged to them in the first place, it may not be completely right, and possibly a little hipocritical ( native americans ... 'nuf said ) anyways I don't want to get into a debate about that particular situation. All I am saying is that If you are going to accuse the country I love of these great evils at least have the courtesy to let me know what they are ... http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif ..... and I really don't think that there is anything at all wrong about a campain against terrorism, it almost sounds to me like you are condoning what they did, and if that is the case then you make me sick ..... if not then I am very sorry for the misunderstanding and forgive me for my previous remarks http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/DRUIDD.gif You can only call someone something so many times before they become that which you did not wish them to be!
Bad things happen to bad people!

why do they start accusing America at THIS point anyway?
ohh wait... I see, they've done that for quite some years... so what do you suggest we do about it? don't give a damn!

Putting back a little of what you've had, - why not? As for the arms, to my mind, that's nothing to be proud of. We reap what we sow, or so they say.



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Americans don't take criticism very well (if you didn't notice yet)!

Mark

Grand Ranger - the rest of the world does have a right to an opinion, you know. The actions that America takes, as in the past, will impinge on the lives of us all around the globe. This being the case, it is crucial that we comment on and discuss what is happening, and make our views known to our own political leaders. I have mailed both Tony Blair and President Bush. I am not an American, but as a global citizen, I wanted to make to make contact with your president.

This 'how dare you have the gall to judge us' attitude is part of what's got America into this situation in the first place.




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WHAT!!!!! So what??? I can't believe I'm reading this. Well, that's just great. So, let's not worry about cause and effect, let's not bother about the historical events that have led up to this happening...

If people believe they have a grievance THAT HARD and that much, aren't you even interested to find out what it is?



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I'm just confused as to how America can justify it's postion in the name of justice, while inncent ppl are dyoing while I type this, not to mention the fact that if they actually recover Bin laden they could *never* actually give him a fair trial...

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keep looking for cause and effect, good luck, while we hunt down the dogs http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

you do your spiritual research, and we do our man reseach at afhag, fair? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...s/biglaugh.gif

how can we justify for NOT TAKING ACTION, so that more people might die? interesting ...

these kind arguement can be easily termed as human shortsightness... but I am not going to do that here, because all your sympathies are applausible... but my sympathy is greater, because I care for larger population, BUAHAHAHAHAHA http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...l_laughter.gif

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