actually, Yorick, lets not start this. this WAS what started the whole mess back in my old board.

the fact is, I know how to counter high level spells with fighter, and mages could not do anything against it. BGII screwed up mage's ability badly, and it has been proven over and over in real duels. (i myself used mages to fight fighters before, and eventually end up losing to some good dueler)

what i am trying to say is, to start an argument over this is pointless, lets close the matter right here. we both keep opinions to ourselves.

and Deamer, I fought a dozen of them


give me a second, i am reading your post


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WEll realise what you say 250
a level 50 mage that is like elminster times 3
If you are level 50 you can shadow door iron skin and mantle so you invounreble for at least the time to cast a timestop and well you are dead with one abi dalzim at level 50
that is like 50*8 = 400 damage max and 250 averige damage
that lowers with a save vs death to 200 max and 125 averig but still very impressive
Don't let yourslef be decieved by those whimpy In-Game Mages
as they are as strong as a Mage PC of 10 levels lower

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Let this discusion end here.

Yorick... I read your post... I am speechless http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

Too late. You got Rikard started. No we're for it... (goes looking for some earplugs or a walkman)

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"Can I look at it?
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A fair dinkum laughing Hyena!

the problem is, you cannot even get your first spell out http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

you see, the philoserphy here is, you are lvl 50, and you already have advantages over me, so i wouldnt wait there and let you cast time stop.

i will put on a protection from magic scroll on YOU the first instance i realise you are using time stop. (it is very easy to tell, just look at the color, and the protections you are wearing right now.)

1) in order to cast time stop, you HAVE to have protection from magical weapon on. EVERYTHING else can be penanrate through by crom faeyr +5

2) the color of time stop is green.

so i just put a scroll on you, and you are muted forever (go check it yourself and see what the scroll does)

also, a barbarian can easily get 60% magic resistance without cheating
a fighter can always attack during each round while mages have to either run or hide
a barbarian can use bow to chase mages, also barbs have speed bonus

you can use invisible such as staff of magis, but scroll of magic protection dispels it. you still end up dead

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Here we go again....
(although Rikard has a point)

note: you cannot get even one time stop out. a time stop with robe of vecna takes 4 seconds to complete. it breaks you from invisible! that gives fighter the chance to put a scroll of magic protection on you (even though they can put one on you no matter you are invisible or not, but i dont want to take advantage of the exploiting bugs)

Well Mantle is cast instandly give protect to +5 weapons
lower resistance lowers resistance
and with Robe of Vacna you can cast 3 lower resistance per time stop at level 50 lower resistance with about 100%
And ADHW is cast within a couple of second a good mage can kill any fighter nomatter what the level
Thief are really something else but not that big of a problem either

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Prince Rikard T'Aranaxz of Natri'x
Clanmaster and Mental Father of the OHF
Ramanish of Neathan'Calith
High Priest and son of the Eternal Phoenix
Shadowlord of the Silver Shield
Baron of Yusliks
Duke of Gerdran
Duke of Tralixz
Lord and General of the Army of the West

AND!!!
Laughing Hyena!!!