ok, i give up...unless if you kill valygar, and resurrect him, his script drops his body...

please tell me...

<span style="color: lightblue">At a guess,

Step 1: Pickpocket Tolgerias - Ring 1.
Step 2: Go through the planar sphere.
Step 3: Go down to the corridor leading to Tolgerias.
Step 4: Open the door and send an invisible thief in.
Step 5: Pickpocket Tolgerias - Ring 2.
Step 6: Kill Tolgerias - Ring 3.

Although, this might not work... if my general logic is right, it *should* make it possible to get 5 rings in total.

"You know, I may have come up with the way to get 3 and still keep Valygar in the party, but it's not like I've ever done it....or even want my name associated with it."

nope, that would be 3 while valygar is still alive...if you sell the body, 4, not five...count it...

time to experiment... [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

actually i doubt it would work...

[ 01-12-2004, 02:36 AM: Message edited by: Userunfriendly ]

I'm about... sixty percent sure that if you pickpocket an item from a character and kill that same character, you don't get double items. The reason this works on Tolgerias and even Lavok is because the scene changes and quite possibly they're different character files. Details are sketchy, but believe me, I've tried this on other characters and quests... ("There's a WHAT in their chicken?!" and a few others) and it shouldn't work.

<span style="color: lightblue">UserUnfriendly - think about it a little more abstractly. I said using that logic, not using that method. Possibly 6 rings if you don't have Baldurdash. :D
Technically, it shouldn't work, but it might just.

that's because the game actually spawns a new creature when you have an area change...when you met tolgarious, you actually met a creature, that the game kills and creates a new one when you meet him later...now in the planar sphere, he is not being respawned...

urg...

Technically, you're only supposed to get ONE ring, and that's the one off the little bastard's corpse after you stove his skull in with Jaheira's oaken quarterstaff.

No wonder Six doesn't want to put his name on this discovery. :(

There's some reason for debate on that--it's true that some duplicated items can be obtained by taking advantage of the fact that the game doesn't check to see if they were pickpocketed before moving the creature to a new area--a bug first well-known with the RoP+2 in Baldur's Gate I. But the fact that you can get 2 Rings of the Ram off of Tolgerias without him moving leads me to believe that the RoR is, in fact, <u>not</u> a unique item. Tolgerias might actually know how to make them, and that's how he earns his living--he doesn't really seem to do much of anything else, apart from stand around in the Council of Six building and get his butt kicked.

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1. Pickpocket Tolgerias.
2. Petrify Valygar. (If you don't have the spell, any convenient Trap will do, including the Prismatic Spray one in the Slaver Ship.)
3. Stone to Flesh, re-recruit.
4. Note the heavy emotional burden weighing down a man forced to carry his own dead body.
5. Make Valygar write a dark, macabre poem about it.
6. Take the corpse and boot the man.
7. Stick his body in your Bag of Holding and open the sphere. Note with glee how certain plot items (such as the Sun Gems in the Temple Ruins) do not vanish from your Inventory if they're in the Bag.
8. Email Kevin Dorner about this bug.
9. Take the body to Tolgerias and take the crushing loss of a single rep point.
10. Re-recruit Valygar and kick some Cowled booty.

impressive...i like it!!! may i include that in the next edition of the cheese guide??? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Go ahead, not like it's my cheese. (Quickly and quietly disowns the cheese in question)