Wasn't Vecna a Lich?

My fav: Mystra... gotta love magic

Vecna (AFAIK) was an Arch-Lich (thats written somewhere.. anyone skilled in AD&D lore can tell a difference btw Arch and Demi lich??) later becoming a lesser deity...

ADD] And can anyone suggest me a place (internet) to download some books about Vecna... Got interested in this critter [img]smile.gif[/img] Or just tell what was his fate. IIRC, he is somehow related to magic... lesser god of magic maybe?

[ 08-11-2003, 07:49 AM: Message edited by: TaSSaDaR ]

If I'm correct, Vecna was a powerful lich but before his trip onto godhood, an assassin cut off his hand and took out his eye, thus making the artifacts The Hand and Eye of Vecna. He was so powerful, those two body parts were considered artifacts, but I forget how exactly he became a god.

Add: In Dungeons and Dragons, an Arch-Lich are priests or mages that have come unto undeath as a Lich of a non-evil alignment, so it wouldn't be right calling Vecna an "Arch" Lich.

Demi-Lich for 2nd Edition Dungeons&Dragons

A God or Goddess who is worshiped deserves the respect of having the recognition f a proper known and as such should be capitalized.


As for the question at hand; I have to go with Ilmater, the crying god.

A deity who willingly takes on the suffering of the poor and the helpless is a deity worthy of respect and worship. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm not actually religious, so I don't have any idea why I spell God with a capital G. Lolth is a Goddess, but doesn't willingly take on the suffering of the poor, and yet she is still worshipped by the entire drow civilisation (except Viconia, my dear mother).

As to answering my own question, I'd have to pick Cyric, anything that can kill the Lord of Murder must be worthy of respect. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually it was Mask's avatar that killed Bhaal.

My fav is Lathander, I had alot of fun with his teachings and the doomguard in planescape (a module where one of their memebers claims to have been told to follow the doomguards because Lathander the morninglord told him so, I argued that as the Morninglord with morning as a sign of rebirth, that the entropy that the doomguard espouse as their philosophy- Haer D'alis is a member- is completely incompatible with Lathander, hehe the DM was stuck for what to do about that one... :D :D :D )

~~Greyhawk info Long long ago on the world of Greyhawk, where mages the like of Mordenkainen, Melf, Rary, Bigby (and most of the others who have spells named after them) first began, an evil mage carved an emipre of blood slaves and death, he ascended to become the most powerful lich to ever exist, and used his kingdom to inspire belief in his divinity (thus leading him to godhood). He crafted an extremely powerful artifact for his chief lieutenent Kas, the sword of Kas. The artifact however was a powerful evil item and had a great deal of Vecna's personality imbued into it, mostly his ambition and evil.

The sword constantly whispered to Kas that he could take control of the empire from Vecna very easily with it's power. Eventually Kas believed that it was true and attacked Vecna, the resulting combat destroyed Vecna and Kas, leaving only the Hand and Eye of Vecna (and his robe for BG2), and the Sword of Kas, however Vecna was partially on his way to godhood, having become a demigod by this point, and so his essence was not fully able to be dispersed. Eventually Vecna was reborn and trapped in Ravenloft. (Gondegal the lost king from the books you find scattered about the game, is also stranded in Ravenloft) However according to current Canon for Ravenloft Vecna has escaped, and Kas is an extremely powreful vampire.

Vacna is also known as the Maimed god, for obvious reasons.

I didn't think I was that far off Morgeruat, then again I may have been thinking about another tale. Could you tell me which book that is in so I can look up on it?

Fav. dieties: Mystra and Mielikki.

Off topic but there is an Arch-Lich in IWD: the leader of the Severed Hand (forgot his name)

Isn't Tyr called the Maimed God as well?

Off topic but there is an Arch-Lich in IWD: the leader of the Severed Hand (forgot his name)</font>[/QUOTE]I didn't say there weren't Arch-Liches, but remember that type of Arch-Lich is in the Greyhawk setting so it might be different on Toril.

A God or Goddess who is worshiped deserves the respect of having the recognition f a proper known and as such should be capitalized.


As for the question at hand; I have to go with Ilmater, the crying god.

A deity who willingly takes on the suffering of the poor and the helpless is a deity worthy of respect and worship. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm not actually religious, so I don't have any idea why I spell God with a capital G. Lolth is a Goddess, but doesn't willingly take on the suffering of the poor, and yet she is still worshipped by the entire drow civilisation (except Viconia, my dear mother).

As to answering my own question, I'd have to pick Cyric, anything that can kill the Lord of Murder must be worthy of respect. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually it was Mask's avatar that killed Bhaal.

My fav is Lathander, I had alot of fun with his teachings and the doomguard in planescape (a module where one of their memebers claims to have been told to follow the doomguards because Lathander the morninglord told him so, I argued that as the Morninglord with morning as a sign of rebirth, that the entropy that the doomguard espouse as their philosophy- Haer D'alis is a member- is completely incompatible with Lathander, hehe the DM was stuck for what to do about that one... :D :D :D ) </font>[/QUOTE]"The Time of Troubles, in which the gods of the Forgotten Realms assumed mortal form and walked the Realms, started when the gods Bane and Myrkul stole the Tablets of Fate from Lord Ao, the overpower god of the Realms. In retribution for this act, Ao banished all of the gods from their outer-planar domains (except for Helm who guards the Outer-Planes). The Gods were forced to assume the forms of mortal Avatars until the end of the Time of Troubles, when the tablets were returned to their rightful owner. During the crisis, Mystra's (god of magic) and Myrkul's (god of the dead) avatars were killed, Bane (god of evil and tyranny) was destroyed fighting Torm, and the human Cyric killed Bhaal (god of murder and assassins) in an epic struggle while competing for Bane's portfolio. After the dust settles, Cyric (death, evil and madness) ascended to new godhood."
- So sayeth the Baldur's Gate II: Shadows Of Amn manual, page 64: The Role Of Years

Hmm .. should I laugh now or laugh later?

[img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] That is one big quote!