I don't shave because anyone wants me to, I shave my legs because I want to! Having said that, I won't bother if I'm wearing jeans and unlikely to be taking them off in company ;)
But when wearing a skirt and nylons, you pretty much have to shave your legs or all the hairs poke through the stockings - ugh, not a pretty sight! It doesn't make me feel in the least bit attractive.

And onto the male hairy back - well I don't mind. My bloke is hairy as a gorilla from the neck down, it's like cuddling a big teddy bear, nothing wrong with that [img]smile.gif[/img] Especially if it's cold outside!

Just one [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Just one [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Oh my god, that was funny!!! [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

Tal, you realize that the fat hairy guy in a small speedo just ruined my appetite for the next several hours. [img]graemlins/1puke.gif[/img]

BTW, about the women can stand more pain than guys thing... I am not one of those women-hating freaks but definitely not one of those feminist freaks. But I hate it when women (there has been the odd guy too, but they are rare and I usually wonder about them) make up things about how women are better at this and that when there is really no proof at all. Enduring pain depends on the person, not his or her sex. You can't say one sex stands pain better unless you do a huge survey, and the government would definitely put their foot down on a torture test. The only real proof you could have is fights, but in the rare case that a woman gets in a fight it doesn't last as long anyway. I haven't seen many catfights but the ones I have are much shorter, and hurt the girls less. Now, I might get bombarded by feminists, but nothing I said was insulting. The odd thing is, a girl can say "GIRLS ARE FASTER AND STRONGER THAN GUYS!" and nobody will say a word. However, if a guy says "Guys are faster and stronger than girls!" Which is probably true, just look at the times and records in the Olympics- then he will be viciously attacked and called sexist. Just my two cents. Now might be a good time to hide under a table, I think...

Oh I like Em with long golden hair... All over their body!
Har Har Har Har :op

Sheeeeesh, it was a *joke* [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D
I thought putting the smileys in would give an indication.....
Besides, the average women DOES have a period each month which often involves pain and some of them give birth to children so GENERALLY SPEAKING and by no means true of everybody etc etc etc, women are quite used to pain in daily life.

Ummm well... de gustibus non disputandum est ;)

But Epona... this is the second time I hear you mention skirts!! Whoa, I thought you hated the things! :D
But you're right - I never wear trousers, always skirts and dresses, so smooth legs are pretty much obligatory ;)
And yeah, I agree that most women probably shave because THEY want to, not their boyfriends/husbands. But I do wonder about the societal influence on it all... I mean not shaving is almost like a taboo in some circles, which I find a bit repressive.

Anyway, for the person who wondered about the history of this (can't remember who it was). I did read the other day about Egyptian women in the time of the Pharaos and Greek and Roman women of antiquity using several methods to remove body hair. So it must be a longstanding tradition. Also, I seem to recall Islamic people remove body hair.. not sure about that one though, if it's really widespread or not. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yes, that's true. Even many Islamic men remove it in, ahem, certain places.

LOL, that's what I read, anyway ;)

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[ 11-20-2002, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

I know that, I wasn't complaining about your post. [img]smile.gif[/img] I was complaining about the fact that girls can say that they are better than guys at all sorts of things, but if a guy says guys are better than girls than they start screaming SEXIST! all over the place. One of my pet peeves... ;)

Well, I was the only one who mentioned the pain thing so erm...
If that is what you were really ranting about, you might want to start a new topic.
FWIW, I agree with you to an extent, some women do seem to feel a need to assert that women "are smarter" "have more emotional insight" "are more in touch with their inner self" and all that bullshit - excusez le mot. ;)
I don't think it's as bad as you say though.. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I hear women say that kind of thing all of the time, but I think that, more often than not, it is said in a light-hearted way, like an informal orgaization at my hospital among the nurses, etc., called W.A.M., or, women against men. Whenever I protest some outrageous thing that they say that "all men do," they pat me on the arm and say, "Oh, not you, Dr. A." Which makes me wonder... [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

Hehehe... LOL "Not you, Dr. A" *pat pat pat*
I recognise that :D

And yes, it's often slightly sarcastic... except in the case of really dumb navelstaring bimbos who sadly DO exist and do take such crap seriously.
I know it's been examined how men's brains work differently from women's, but in the end most of the men vs women jokes are just that, jokes. Doesn't make them any less enjoyable ;)

My elementary school principal took this to extremes. For things like Science Fair and school awards or sport MVP trophies, she would ALWAYS make sure that it went to a girl. Out of the five to ten science fair projects that went to the Science fair, one would be a guy's and the rest would be girls. One year there were no guys at all... I'll stop ranting though. Don't wanna get off topic, although it is a bit too late for that now ;) .

Lesee, a partial list of things that "all men do" that I don't:

1.Watch football or other sports all day. (I cordially loathe professional sports)
2.Won't ask for directions. (I do this all of the time. I hate being lost.)
3.Cook (I cook three days a week and more if requested.)
4.Are babies about being sick and have to be waited on, hand and foot. (I don't like being dependant and rarely miss work, and even then just for half a day, if possible)
5.Think about sex all of the time and like to look at pretty women. (weeelll...) :D
And, yes, Melusine, I think that some of the jokes are pretty funny. ;)

I was talking about jokes about men as well as women, BTW! ;) Just so you know... ;)

And my boyfriend also hates to watch sports, and cooked dinner regularly, as well as doing other household chores (he's in Scotland now though :( ). And when we are going some place, it's always him that wants to ask for directions at the first sign of being lost, while I press stubbornly on saying that I know exactly where we are (and guess what, I'm usually right too :D ).
And defying the "rules" even further, when he is driving, I'm the one reading the map - and accurately, too! [img]tongue.gif[/img] ;)

Actually, Melusine, I find the jokes about men to be funnier than the ones about women. There is a patronising tone in the misogynist jokes that I do not care for. Good for your BF, I love to cook (usually), and I know what it is like to drive with a woman who is generally right. ;) :D

I hate cooking. I just learned how to make Kraft Dinner, though... Except only in the microwave. Can't do it on the stove, I hate splasing boiling water on myself. :( TV dinners and fast food restaurants are there for me. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ah, but you are in the elementary division of cooking. You have not had the joy of taking a piece of beef, beef stock, sausage grease, potatoes, carrots, mushrooms, and celery into a pot and have it come out a succulent pot roast that all your family and friends rave about. It is a feeling to treasure, I assure you. ;) Besides, cooking stores have great things to browse through and buy.

Perhaps, but there is a difference between a "succulent pot roast that all your family and friends rave about" and setting one's clothes on fire. ;)

I actually haven't done that yet, but some chicken I tried to make once lit on fire. That was a disaster... :(

So... and back to the (ahem) topic...
Shaving is probably the least trouble. I've tried creams with little effect, wax, and one of those epilady things (mechanical epilators), which all require the hair to be about a 1/4 inch thick or longer (which then defeats the purpose of the whole thing). I'd rather shave, as it takes less time than any other method. Another problem with the above methods is that even though they claim to leave you hairless longer, when you actually use the product, not all your leg (or whatever) hair is the same length (unless perhaps you haven't shaved in years). Which means that you yank out a slew of hair thinking that'll last you six weeks only to find that the hairs which were too short or under the surface have grown out enough to be unattractive a week later, perhaps then resulting in the weekly S&M session with the epilady.

Speaking of which, epilady for sale... email me... ;) Oh, yes, fun and soooo effective....

OK, confession time. I have got back into wearing skirts big-time. I used to when I was younger, but after a back injury put on some weight and felt my legs were fat so out went the skirts.
Having got back into shape (well a bit ;) ) I am now back in skirt-mode and wear skirts most days that I am not riding my scooters. Short skirts :D And loving it :D