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Seems to me the song is about a soldier not a suicide bomber. The line about a gun in one hand and heart in the other...

Does it refer specifically to suicide bombing somewhere and I missed it?

Chewbacca, First of all it says weapon, not gun, which could be just about anything from a bomb/molotov coctail, to a knife, to a gun, second without the full text of it all you know is that he's praising the glory of "martyr's" which is what suicide bombers are normally considered (I guess they really don't know that suicide is against the Quran).

(btw I do recognise that my previous post about them being on expired visa's was incorrect, they had an extension until July 15th)

[ 08-03-2004, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]

Oh my god!!! Check this song out! It involves men going out to kill and die! And wives mourning them! And children being brought up to idolise such behaviour! Those bastards! They'll do anything they can to glorify their murderous ways!!!! ARRRRRRRGH! :rolleyes:

Come on guys.... seriously... please. This bipolar, obsessive-compulsive enemy-inventing is getting tired.

Bipolar obsessive compulsive enemy inventing? The insults are just bubbling up out of the posts these days.

Here's all I know about the song: it sings about martyrs using weapons of some sort to valiant fight to free Palestine, the Golan, and South Lebanon and ends with Allahu Akbar chants. You'll forgive me if I've drawn certain connections and assumptions out of this. It's certainly not obsessive nor compulsive to do so.

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widely known as the Syrian Wayne Newton

This tells me all I need to know. :D

Ok, I'm sorry. I was frustrated and hastily blurted out some stuff that I shouldn't have.

Still, I stand by overall point that some Americans choose to sing songs glorifying
those whom they see as their martyred warriors too. That doesn't necessarily make them bad people.

MOST Americans don't consider running onto a bus full of children and blowing yourself up martyrdom.

[ 08-03-2004, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]

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Originally posted by Morgeruat:
Chewbacca, First of all it says weapon, not gun, which could be just about anything from a bomb/molotov coctail, to a knife, to a gun, second without the full text of it all you know is that he's praising the glory of "martyr's" which is what suicide bombers are normally considered (I guess they really don't know that suicide is against the Quran).

(btw I do recognise that my previous post about them being on expired visa's was incorrect, they had an extension until July 15th)

Well... I just don't know enough to conclude this song was or wasn't about suicide bomber. I have been unable to find a second translation from a source other than the Middle East Media Research Institute.
Heck I can't even find the 'Syrian Wayne Newton' guy's website. Seems like every hit on google about this is a rehash of the original Blog or Times Article.

I'm skeptikal and think this angle of the story is a bit of hot air- lean on facts but full of rhetoric. Just my opinion.

You can listen to two of Mehannas's songs here, if anyone is interrested. It's further down the page.

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Originally posted by Morgeruat:
MOST Americans don't consider running onto a bus full of children and blowing yourself up martyrdom.

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Originally posted by The Hierophant:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Morgeruat:
MOST Americans don't consider running onto a bus full of children and blowing yourself up martyrdom.

Good for them [img]smile.gif[/img] I suppose it's more 'humane' for these moral, upstanding citizens of freedom to stick their bombs onto rockets and detonate them from a safe distance huh? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]I liked the original reply better. It was less smart assy, but still made the point. ;) [img]smile.gif[/img] :D

EDIT - I know... I'm being smart assy, too. [img]graemlins/moon.gif[/img]

[ 08-03-2004, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

I know, I know. I couldn't help putting the barb in. Sorry. Chalk it up to stress. I would re-edit, but you've already quoted it [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Good for them [img]smile.gif[/img] I suppose it's more 'humane' for these moral, upstanding citizens of freedom to stick their bombs onto rockets and detonate them from a safe distance huh? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]My exact thoughts also. Those darn rat bestards and their SCUD missiles!

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I know, I know. I couldn't help putting the barb in. Sorry. Chalk it up to stress.

I've felt that familiar pull and succumbed to it myself occasionally. ;)

sorry for the necromancy, this is an update and a bit of an "I told you so."

http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5545-3054r.htm

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The inspector general for Homeland Security late Friday released new details of what federal air marshals say was a terrorist dry run aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29, 2004.
Several portions of the report remain redacted. The release stems from a Freedom of Information request by The Washington Times in April 2006. The Times first reported on July 22 that this and other probes and dry runs were occurring on commercial flights since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Look for the full report in Wednesday's edition of The Times.
Excerpts fom 51-page inspector general report:
On the flight, 13 Middle Eastern men behaved in a suspicious manner that aroused the attention and concern of the flight attendants, passengers, air marshals and pilots.
Briefly, the following events occurred. Thirteen Middle Eastern men were traveling together as a musical group, 12 carrying Syrian passports and one, a lawful permanent resident of the United States of Lebanese descent, purchased one-way tickets from Detroit to Los Angeles. Six of the men arrived at the gate together after boarding began, then split up and acted as if they were not acquainted. According to air marshals, the men also appeared sweaty and nervous. An air marshal assigned to Flight 327 observed their behavior and characterized it as "unusual," but made no further reports at the time.
During the flight, the men again acted suspiciously. Several of the men changed seats, congregated in the aisles, and arose when the fasten seat belt sign was turned on; one passenger moved quickly up the aisle toward the cockpit and, at the last moment, entered the first class lavatory. The passenger remained in the lavatory for about 20 minutes. Several of the men spent excessive time in the lavatories. Another man carried a large McDonald's restaurant bag into a lavatory and made a thumbs-up signal to another man upon returning to his seat.
Flight attendants notified the air marshals on board of the suspicious activities.
In response, an air marshal directed a flight attendant to instruct the cockpit to radio ahead for law-enforcement officials to meet the flight upon arrival. After arriving, Flight 327 was met by federal and local law enforcement officials, who gathered all 13 suspicious passengers, interviewing two of them. An air marshal photocopied the passengers' passports and visas. The names of the suspicious passengers were run through FBI databases, indicating the musical group's promoter had been involved in a similar incident in January 2004.