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Davros 07-21-2001 08:26 AM

Gee Donut, I reckon your athletic self could catch better than that national cricket team of yours. Do you think they have a little wager supporting Gilchrest to be the first person to score centuries in every test of an ashes series http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif. They are ceratinly seem to be doing there best to support this ambition LOL.

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Memnoch 07-22-2001 10:13 AM

Where's Donut? I miss talking to him!

I wanted to ask him about the target Australia had to chase in their second innings. I heard that England were batting really well! Butcher and Stewart were tearing the Aussie attack to shreds, they looked to be heading for a huge total. What was the total that Australia had to chase?

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Davros 07-22-2001 06:19 PM

Sort of spoils the enjoyment of winning when the games are so one sided doesn't it. I am kind of wishing to see a closer contest here or there (Davr is off to the bathroom to wash his mouth out http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif ).

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Memnoch 07-23-2001 06:49 AM

Hmm, looks like it's just the two of us here, eh, Davros old son? It's going to get really lonely in the next few weeks I think. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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Memnoch 07-23-2001 11:48 AM

Here's an article about the cricket from England's Guardian newspaper, from renowned cricket writer Frank Keating:

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Too meek, mild and bloody awful

Frank Keating
Monday July 23, 2001
The Guardian

As the short-changed throng moseyed away from Lord's yesterday, pork pies unwrapped and Chardonnay uncorked, to the credit of its collective civility the mumbled post-mortems seemed to suggest only a weary sympathy for the England players at being so catastrophically clobbered yet again by inevitability.

Whatever opinions the morning brings out, the national coach Duncan Fletcher's mes sianic properties, so trumpetingly acclaimed for the last couple of years, have now exploded into fragments. It is not a pretty sight. England's cricket is back to square one with nowhere else to go.

England's supporters are far too nice, which makes for a perfect match with their team which is far too meek. A soccer crowd would have been filing out long before the tragi-comic last rites yesterday morning - blowing, as it went, some coarse ripe raspberries and a din of jeers at the team and its coach. "What a load of rubbish" is, I think, the usual winter refrain.

Instead, in the short capitulation, their sad and sorry England had allowed the full house to see only a handful of desperate curtain-call snicks and swipes from White and Caddick for serenading with a fond applause - with only the remotest edge of bitterness or sarcasm attached. It was reminiscent of the wearily affectionate despair that Twickenham's middle-class bastion used to dredge up for its lilywhite national team at rugger as it ran up matching white flags for most seasons through the 70s and 80s.

Even three hours after this sad surrender, a few knots of stragglers had stayed on to munch their picnics and cast rheumy eyes across the famous old fields, emptied many hours before their time. Some wished they had stayed home to watch the golf, others inquired in gentlemanly manner about ticket refunds, still more ruminated on which English cricketers might now be picked to replace a few in this shot-through and ruined band of Mr Fletcher's - and as answer to that last question came there "None".

It is an impeaching charge that no fresh names spring to mind for Trent Bridge. What are the A tours for? Trescothick came in last year by fluke and accident; this summer, ditto in a way, a reinvented Butcher.

"Hick must surely come back now," muttered one late picnicker in a panama behind the pavilion. At least his pal in the matching MCC tie did not laugh out loud.

The two old buffers had probably joined in those ironic peels of sarcastic applause earlier as England's dying-swan flurry of fours at the end of the innings. It must have become more drainingly painful for them at once when Australia went in, just 14 to win as a derisory stroll, when a laughing Slater dismissively swatted Caddick to square leg. Were the Australians taking the mickey?

Surely Slater was extracting the literal Michael when he next and most pointedly gave Butcher that doddle of a slips catch as if he was a coach at a schoolboy fielding practice. As Butcher pouched it, the ironic cheers certainly did have a bitter collective dismissiveness about them.

Then Ponting's nonchalant first-ball all-run boundary to furthest long-on also seemed to be taking the mickey - his dismissal with the score at the 13 somehow even more so.

It is grim to note that Australia have won these first two Tests by an embarrassing country mile with Ponting contributing 11, 14 and four. In fact, this batsman of avenging grandeur has made only 46 runs in his last eight Test innings. He is ominously bound to put an atoning and mighty end to that sequence any day now.

Trent Bridge next week cries out for him to star downstage. England can only wince at the anticipation of it. His captain Steve Waugh said as much: "Ricky got a shooter at Edgbaston, a rare one which took off in this first innings and today he just let the emotion take over because, of course, he simply hadn't expected to bat. But, watch out, Ricky's hitting the ball as well as any of us."

Well, not as well surely as the ravishing Adam Gilchrist. What an utter pleasure he has been to watch both at the crease and behind it. Has all history ever seen a better wicketkeeper-batsman - or to be sure, has any Test batting order ever fielded a more dangerous No7?

Averaging 53 from - agreed, only - 19 Tests, Gilchrist threatens for starters to leave the modern stumper-bats far behind: the West Indian Dujon and England's true great Knott average 32, and Alec Stewart averages 33 when he wears the gloves.

I suppose England's Les Ames in the 1930s must be the last century's benchmark, averaging 40 in 72 Test innings - but he was only at No7 in less than half of those knocks. Gilchrist at No7 is the very driving wheel of any innings and until he has gone he can quite simply rechart the very tides and turmoils of any game.

One of Ames's eight Test cen turies was in the only Ashes match England have won at Lord's since the 19th century, in 1934. Will any Englishman manage a single century in this series? All the talk yesterday as the teatime queues evaporated in the drizzle around the tube station was whether Waugh's side was now shown to be better than Bradman's 1948 lot.

At least, against those invincibles, Denis Compton clocked up heroically defiant scores of 184 and 145. The very possibility of an Englishman doing that in 2001 seems as remote as Mars.

It makes you want to weep. That's the trouble with the English, they might want to weep but yesterday, as they moped away, there were only metaphorical tears cascading past those stiff upper lips.

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Staralfur 07-23-2001 05:23 PM

What sort idiot invented a game like cricket? It's a stupid game.

Davros 07-23-2001 06:18 PM

Welcome Staraflur - we were starting to think that the UK had been wiped out by a web eating virus or something. Glad to see some of you are still alive http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif. Even I am starting to find the cricket a touch boring, and praying for a tougher contest sometime soon http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/Eyecrazy.gif .

Thanks for the article Memmie. By the way, does anyone know what happened to my mate the Arch-Prat Austin Healey - did he get any slaps on the wrist, or did he weasel out of things.

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Memnoch 07-24-2001 04:29 AM

Anyone seen Donut lately? http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/confused.gif

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Bhaal 07-25-2001 10:56 AM

Well, first game of the Tri Nations is done and NZ one up. Got a feeling that if we play like we did against South Africa that you Aussies might just walk all over us. Don't like seeing Australia win but against South Africa, ummm, a draw would be nice... I won't start on cricket cause NZ sucks big time!!! Lost again tonight!

Memnoch 07-25-2001 12:20 PM

Hmm, sounds like the right time to talk about the cricket. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Memnoch 07-26-2001 12:05 AM

I was a bit worried that Donut might be a bit down in the dumps after the second Ashes Test result. I know how much of a rabid sports fan he is! So I thought I would post an article from the prestigous British newspaper, the Mirror. It's about a gold medal that Britain won in swimming! And they actually beat the Aussies.

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SWIMMING: BRITAIN SWEAT ON GOLD


IT WAS the sporting triumph the whole of Britain was praying for - a win against Australia.

But just when our swimmers thought they had beaten their rivals from Down Under, their gold medal could be snatched away after farcical scenes at the World Championships in Japan.

It may have been scant revenge for Ashes and Lions defeats, but any victory over Australia tasted sweet - while it lasted.

Britain's 4x200m relay squad had finished third, but winners Australia were disqualified when their swimmers celebrated by jumping into the pool before all the teams had finished.

Second-placed America were then also booted out for a change-over which was illegal by 0.06secs.

That left Nicola Jackson, Janine Belton, Karen Legg and Karen Pickering - who smashed the British record - in first place.

But after appeals, the US head of the technical committee of FINA, the sport's governing body, will today review a video of the race.

And that could see Britain stripped of their first swimming gold since David Wilkie's in 1975.

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Davros 07-26-2001 05:21 AM

And the good news for Donut is that all appeals were dismissed - WOOHOO, 3 cheers for the new world champions http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif.

What a farcical rule though (sigh)

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Donut 07-26-2001 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Memnoch:
Where's Donut? I miss talking to him!

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All I can say is that if you are missing me you really have to get out more. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

I've been off work for a week (Lake District and Blackpool) so I haven't visited the board. I was at Lord's on thursday to see 29 overs being bowled. If I include my day at the Pakistan test that makes a total of 29 overs this year.

I shall give you the benefit of my razor sharp wit and rapier like ripostes when I've waded my way through the 84 internal emails that I have received while I was away. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif


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Donut 07-26-2001 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by Davros:
And the good news for Donut is that all appeals were dismissed - WOOHOO, 3 cheers for the new world champions http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif.

What a farcical rule though (sigh)


You aussies have a habit of jumping into the pool before the race is finished (metaphorically speaking http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif )

What a shame they don't have that rule in the Ryder Cup, you know - don't run across the green whooping it up before your opponent takes his putt. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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Davros 07-26-2001 06:11 AM

Great to see you again mate http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif. Sorry you day at Lords was cut short so badly. Was that the 1st day, or the 4th day? Surely you wouldn't have had the optimism to go to the 4th day of an Engand V Australia test match http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif. Lake district - will be there myself in a couple of weeks, and Southport.

And in the Ryder Cup - you do know that I cheer for your team in that one don't you http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif. There are no Aussies to support, so my heart is with the old mother land (bonnie Scotland http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif ).

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Memnoch 07-26-2001 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by Davros:
Great to see you again mate http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif. Sorry you day at Lords was cut short so badly. Was that the 1st day, or the 4th day? Surely you wouldn't have had the optimism to go to the 4th day of an Engand V Australia test match http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif.

Every so often, Davros, you make me laugh my ass off. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Davros 07-26-2001 09:32 AM

Who - me??????????

Now, on to serious business, when does the next test start?

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Davros 08-09-2001 07:20 PM

Another Ashes series to Australia - all that remains is to see if Waugh's Warriors can achieve the WHITEWASH http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif. Brave move on your part Donut to put money on a 3-2 result - you must have real faith that your boys are going to stand up at last. Football season soon, that should take your mind off things - "Caaarrnn the Gunners".

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Donut 08-20-2001 03:46 PM

My, My - I can't believe this thread has been allowed to drop to page six! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Now let me see, what's been happening in the Cricket world today?

I suppose it's late in Australia now but I'll wait for Memnoch to bring us up to date on the latest news when he wakes up. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif I'm sure he can quote some newspaper article about how you should never underestimate the opposition.

It's so nice that Davros was in the country whilst the Butchery was taking place. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif



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Yorick 08-20-2001 03:54 PM

Uh, oh. What happene Donut? Spill the beans, come on...

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Donut 08-20-2001 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Yorick:
Uh, oh. What happene Donut? Spill the beans, come on...


England set 315 to win over 90 overs. Mark Butcher 173 not out. England win by six wickets with 17 overs to spare.

This may not be the end. This may not even be the beginning of the end, But it is the end of the beginning!!! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

Twenty years since the Botham test - why don't we play all our test matches at Headingly. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

More good news Phil Tufnell recalled for the last test. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Yorick 08-20-2001 04:30 PM

Oh well good, I'm glad. I like to see some fight in the old dart.

*resumes one eyed position* We shall of course grind the English cricketing pride further in the soggy mud at the next ground we meet them of course.

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Donut 08-21-2001 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by Yorick:
Oh well good, I'm glad. I like to see some fight in the old dart.

*resumes one eyed position* We shall of course grind the English cricketing pride further in the soggy mud at the next ground we meet them of course.



LOL Yorick. The Australian team were magnanimous in defeat even though it's the third defeat in the last six tests. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

You haven't seen Memnoch about have you? He usually posts on this thread quite a lot so he is conspicous by his absence. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif I hope he's not going to make me pursue him acroos the board polluting everyones threads. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

I have noticed a trend with Memnoch. After an Australian defeat he delays communicating with me until they have a victory. Mmmm, Memnoch Cunctator? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif


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Memnoch 08-21-2001 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by Donut:

You haven't seen Memnoch about have you? He usually posts on this thread quite a lot so he is conspicous by his absence. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif I hope he's not going to make me pursue him acroos the board polluting everyones threads. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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G'day mate! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

We had to give you something, we could have easily gone for the draw but decided to make a fist of it despite the rain delays etc. All the same well done! No excuses. Looks like England are picking themselves up off the gutter.

Also, it was in everyone's best interest that the Fifth Test be a sellout. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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Donut 08-21-2001 06:08 AM

Shame on you Memnoch. The next thing you'll be telling me is that some of the Australian players availed themselves of some of the 16/1 odds on England yesterday morning. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

On to the Oval and the return of The Cat! 11 for 90 the last time he played against you at the Oval four years ago. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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