yeh i agree with moni kinda, but what about your fishing trip?
<s>Felix</s>

I do hope that was not levied at me, it is a very bad idea to insult IW master assassin. However many may have come along and garbed themselves master assassin or the like is irelavent ...I was the first and mark my words ...I shall be the last.

;) only jesting with ye

I'll save the fishing trip for later. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I'll try this out first, but if it doesn't work out, I'm going fishing.

Yeah, I think Moni's idea is probably the best way to go. ;)

probably the wisest thing would be to listen to Moni being as she is more akin to your female friend than us bumbling males.

We human beings are strange creatures...

Willard, from my experience, girls can be pretty sharp at noticing these things, even those subtle vibes you give out either consciously or otherwise. She may probably know that you find her attractive by now. It may be tough since she hinted at point #5 and #6 that she may not be interested.
If your scared of being rejected, well it's better to make your intentions known outright and risk an in-your-face rejection rather than this cat and mouse game you're playing now. Just tell her you'd like to get to know her better (be subtle of course) and take it from there. Back off if she's not up for it, there're other girls around :D

Willard, I say no. Don't ask her. She obviously knows you like her, and even if she only suspects, she'll start paying attention to you, talking, and flirting. But don't ask her again if she normally ignores you...

No Guts no glory my friend, suck it up and ask her out, youll never be happy if you dont know.

tell you what ...with all these conflicting opinions there can be only one answer (and I don't mean flip a coin) and it comes from you. Follow your heart here ...not your brain (and certainly not the fellow down below)

the, what is it now 5th? 6th? i dunno, option is to get her really REALLY drunk and then...ummno ignore that just take moni's advice. its good advice. shame i'm too chicken to ask any of the girls i know out [img]tongue.gif[/img] .