so what exactly is banned here? I don't understand. Until I do, I'll elaborate my opinion (that's all it is, you know).

While I do see that the Pope being the head of the "vatican state" seems to gain him loop-hole political status, he is still a religious leader first and foremost. I don't disagree that he led lots of people that respected him, sure. My point is that the recognition of one particular religious political leader and not recognizing others is a breech of separation of church and state. The government should be totally neutral when it comes to these events, let the media and individual followers do their own thing. Keep my government out of it.

Really, it's not this one event that upsets non-religious folks like myself. It's the culmination of a great number of events that point toward religious fanaticism taking over the US. I mean, it was religious fanaticism that drove people away from England in the first place, that was why the founders made it very clear that we don't repeat those mistakes. Now it seems that politians have gone the other way, using religious iconology to gain support and getting elected by promising "moral" and "ethical" changes which reek of religious dogma.

ohh when will humans get over this god fantasy.. I hope sooner than later.

feel free to attack, I enjoy it.
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ROFL. Dumbass. You're too much of a dumbass to deserve a proper attack.

[ 04-08-2005, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

i think alot of people including myself would find "god fantasy" an insult mate. I do strongly recommend you to rephrase that word because it is like your accusing EVERY religion out there in the world to being delusional.

Church and State has a very thin line of seperation and always they cross each others paths. Abortion, Euthanasia are good examples of those. You want the seperation of state and church which i wholeheartedly agree with you but sometimes it is those ethnical values that what laid those foundations of the state in the first place. The US was founded under Christianity and I dont think the main reason for the US breaking away with the UK back in the colonial era was because of the Church but rather of the King and its taxes.

The pope has died and I admit wanting to cry myself for a good man lost. You may not be able to understand why people cry to a man they did not meet, who we as catholics revere him as a good Leader and Father (like a priest term) because this is not logic, this is emotion.

oh yes, there is a religion bann discussion anywhere in this forum so this thread is in the borderline.

[ 04-08-2005, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: Harkoliar ]

I agree with you! I don't care about the pope one bit, to me he was just some guy in office for like president og the cathlics, he was no closer to g-d(I don't know if i'm aloud to say HIM on this site) than any of us, but he's still a person and should be respected like so

ps: I'm probably off topic now b/c your all probly arguing about something that I really don't care about. I just felt like saying something that made a point of some sort.

<font color=steelblue>Scarab, for future reference, if somebody gives you fair warning that you are going over the edge on a rule...don't push the subject the way you have done here.

What that does is ruin the effort that everybody else put into this thread since it now has to be locked, thanks to your blatant lack of respect for the webmaster's rules. More than one rule was broken with your post.

This will serve as your first official warning.

To everybody else...I am sorry. I am sure that you all realized that this thread was being tolerated with leniancy, but it went too far. Scarab's comment killed your opportunity to prove to Ziroc that we can do this.

By the way...we do not allow people to "attack" one another, as you invited in your post.
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[ 04-09-2005, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]