I can`t say wheter is this joke or not. But nevermind it is actually a good point. Tom and Jerry. We all know this cartoon. (A cat and mouse fighting each other)
This cartoon is then violent too. They are "hurting" each other with fire crackers,ironers,basball bats and God knows what.

So is it violent or it is "all in good fun" just becuase it is a cartoon for kids. If yes, then games are equal.

[ 04-13-2004, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: Xen ]

I've heard that Tom and Jerry were banned in Sweden for quite some time. Or was it Finland? I know it's a northern country, just not sure.

Lol...those who watch the Simpsons know about Itchy and Scratchy. The destroy each other repeated in extremely violent ways, all the time with the kids watching it laughing like crazy (and definitely a knock-off of Tom and Jerry). But the point is made with that one; they are definitely showing the level of violence in cartoons, and the way we just tolerate it. That is, except for the episode where Marge does something about it (go watch that one in the reruns; it really drives the point home about violence in media and the effect on children).

Hmm, like someone posted above here, why ban games if it increases violence if traffic in general does that much worse. I've seen a couple of newsthingies in which a man was stabbed or shot because of a traffic argument. Same goes for loads of other things.

As people tend to do, most of you are thinking your own point of wiev with games. But YOU guys are adults or about to be one. Adults know how to react on TV violence and such. On the other hand kids don´t.

As known children takes their models of behaving pretty much from their parents. Violent parents causes violent offsprings and Ned Flanders have angels etc etc. And this is how it´s been throught the history.

I´ll take example from my home land Finland. 50% of marriages end in divorse. Most of the time leaving kids with less or no time with their father.
Same time money curreer and high education rises to "samurai-like" honor in all medias. Cause of that people don´t have time to have any childer. And when they finally do, they take their parenthood wacation (1 year) and go back to work. Again leaving children without parents.
Creaming on the top is school system which gives teacher no means to set limits for the kids while continuingly increasing class sizes.

Finally my point. Kids don´t have parents anymore. Same time video games are taking more and more of their free time. If a child doesn´t have a real role model or someone to listen for his/her issues who knows how they end up.

I don´t think that videogames caude violent anymore than any former media; but modern society does.

PS. Bugs Bunny isn`t banned in Finland

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People need space to grow, the world is getting crowded, people get ticked off.

Violence in games is an easy scapegoat.
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Yet, the gamers pick on the AI to relieve stress..............confused? I am. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Studies show a NEGATIVE correletion between violent play and violent behaviour later in life. That is to say, kids that play "army" when they're young are less likely to be hoods or bank robbers when they grow up.

[ 04-15-2004, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Sir Krustin ]

<font color="red"><font face="comic sans ms">I fail to see this video game violence problem, I've been playing games that are excessively violent for the longest time... and I've never had a truly violent attitude... <font color="black"><font face="century gothic">Fear the ^Black_Dragon of power...</font></font> I don't physically harm people, unless I'm brought to it by the constant nagging of them (which takes alotta effort) or something of the sort, I play games like grand theft auto 3, and vice city, I also play soul calibur II and tekken tag tournament, and other games of the such, none of which have caused an influence towards my attitude... the whole video game violence thing I believe all comes down to the <u>parents</u>... If your parents raise you right, you shouldn't be violent... that's my opinion towards the whole subject...</font></font><font color="black">

I still think it's not necessarily the cause of violence (T.V shows like Bugs Bunny, RoadRunner, etc.., or Video games) but maybe a form of "trigger" or at least a "desensitization tool," making the violent behaviour more receptive subconsciously or consciously and manifesting itself negatively in respects to societal conventions for those with unhealthy mental or emotional states of being.

And yes, you can quote me on that.

(Just for the record, I love violent Japanimation and cartoons, but I don't think I have been adversely affected by it... however in retrospect, in cases of extreme stress or anger, I do wish I could smeer people's bodies across 30 meters of hallway with a single thought like in Akira.)

:-P