thank you magik, i have not had the prevlage of having healthy kids, all of them were born early and under weight

I thought TV land was a universal channel, heck I even get it in Cuba!</font>[/QUOTE]i only get local channels here, nothing really good to watch

No I am not talking about a councilor. ;) I was talking about a child care specialist. A such would be able to give you advice on what to do if your son does something he is not supposed to and you do not know how to handle it. Perhaps a pediatrician could serve your need. ;) Attalus may be able to help you there by talking to his wife. [img]smile.gif[/img]

well all thanks for the advice, i think i just needed to rant a little,i feel better now, just real tired, i am gonna take a nap and then clean my house
see you soon [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sorry I missed all the fun discussion, but let me offer one other spot... a place my wife goes to for thoughts and ideas on kids and their upbringing. It's Parent's Place (www.parentsplace.com), and they've got a number of forums for different childraising areas.

And I gotta toss in here, TL, as I put on my flame-retardant undies, that I was also raised in a household with a heavy stick. I don't know if it worked or not, and there's a whole flamewar to be had in the topic, but with my kids, I haven't had to do that yet. And they are doing just fine (aside from the bathroom incident).

I believe spanking should only be used as a last resort, and then separate from the event to avoid knee-jerk reactions. It is not, in my nine cumulative years of being a parent, the best first answer.

Stormy, I'll never complain about my 2 ever again. My youngest (7 months) like to go for my glasses. When i take them off, he goes for my eyes (with a wicked chiuldlike glee!). My olderst son just turned 6 and wants me to play Game cube with him whenever I'm free. The trouble is that if I'm holding the smallest one, I have trouble playing with the biggest one.

But now I know my complaints are baseless drivel. They are quite shallow next to your valid complaints, so I'll not so another word. Except, maybe, that you never unsnap the Pampers without a replacement in the other hand....

Whenever young kids do stuff like poking you in the eyes, put them down and don't pick them back up. It's the only way they'll start to understand that it's not a game.

Sage advice when dealing with children in large numbers is........

#1. Wear a helmet.

Come to think of it, safety glasses and a cup aren't a bad idea either!

Prepare to be attacked! Run, the toddlers cometh! [img]graemlins/outtahere.gif[/img]

[ 04-17-2003, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: Sir Kenyth ]

<font color=skyblue>The "Daddy voice" is all that it takes in my house.
My little soon-to-be-3-year-old will fight with mommy and will most of the time win her desire over mommy's...that is when the "daddy voice" is asked to come in and all I have to do is let her know that I am in the room. She quickly becomes the child of every parent's dreams.</font>

daddy is so wrapped around the girls fingers the daddy voice never works,lol
as for the finger in the eye game, been there, you have to be the boss on that one and tell them no that that causes pain and is not funny, wait till he learns teeth. my youngest likes to open my mouth wide and pick at my teeth with her fingers

thesewere just a few incedents, there was the egg/oatmeal on the couch
the coffee/sugar/creamer on the carpet..i mean the whole can
the bathroom incedents i mean 5 timesnow, the list goes on and on
it could be they are acting out having to move 4 times in the last year could that be it?