Do you think though that if the U.S. had waited, it would have solved the problem? What do you think would have happened? Bin Laden taken into custody? And what about all his cohorts? Not sure what you think would have happened is all, just curious, not debating or anything, just looking for conversation and other perspectives on this http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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I think we are breeding future terrorists with each bomb dropped.

Are we really making the world a safer place? Or will more be swayed to the viewpoint that the U.S. just wants to exert influence on Islamic nations, and take violent action themselves? And Bin Ladin has already made a statement...
"100% retaliation". Who know if his cohorts are already in place in the west, waiting like snakes in the grass.

Hell, I dunno. I don't think there ARE any easy answers. Maybe attacking IS the only thing to do - but we should have tried harder to get bin Laden by negotiation.
But whatever - we should NOT bomb! We should have sent in ground forces to get him and his followers, maybe, since there would be less liklihood of killing innocents.

And bombing Afghanistan is most likely going to turn practically all the Islamic world against us. Frankly, Ladyzekke, I'm scared. I don't want to live through another world war. I lived through one already. I'm scared for my children and grandchildren. I'm more scared than I have been in my life.

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Ok.. pure and simple. I do support action as I feel it's the only way to make the point to terrorists that it's not acceptable to practice terrorism anywhere.

BUT, I grieve for those who will die, and yes, even the terrorists and the Taliban. Death from war is death nonetheless. A life is a life. I have been taught that our commandments say "thou shalt do no murder" (note the word 'murder' not 'kill') and that it is not murder if someone dies as a result of war or self defense. So I reservedly say that yes, I support putting an end to terrorist camps and the threat to our national safety.

Still, I do not like the idea of causing any death anywhere. I know civilians who do not support terrorism may die and that saddens me. Yes, we lost thousands, no need to remind me, I live near the site of the largest loss. To me, it all seems so horrible and senseless. I can only pray it ends soon, but fear we are launching a long term war as terrorism is widespread.

I see no good in rejoicing at war and destruction. I take no joy in this at all. My God! Our own militiary personnel will surely suffer some casualties (by which I mean those all countries on our side who send troops as well). http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

For the Afghan people the living conditions there are squalid at best, I only pray that removal of the Taliban and international efforts to aid the people will make a difference in the lives of the Afghani peoples.

I understand the necessity of action and support the cause, but I do not jump for joy or take any sort of pleasure in it. I look for the day when we all put our energies toward building and not destroying.

Cloudbringer, praying for a swift end to the conflict

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I kinda feel like that too G'kar, we have lit a fire with gasoline puddles nearby, we could really get burned here. But again, what else to do???

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<font color="white">You are right about that...I thought we said that we would not waste bombs...that the only way to get them was by getting ground troops in there, up close and personal ...eye to eye sorta thing.

Could this be a ruse to hide our attack force as they come storming in?
I know that once I killed a rat by pouring Chlorine and Hydrogen Peroxide down his hole to flush him out (that makes a deadly gas, by the way...), and when he came struggling out, barely able to walk...I shot his head off. Could the US be thinking to do that???</font>

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So I guess you think we should just sit back and lets these F*ckers bomb us some more. I think not...We cannot just set back as lets shit like this happen.

But far greater likelihood of having troops die. The terrain and the experience of the Afghani military makes it extremely dangerous for outside forces to come in, because (1) Afghanis know the terrain which is really easy to defend, and extremely difficult to attack, and (2) Afghanis don't like to engage with non-Afghani troops, they just lead them around then ambush when they've got the upperhand. Maybe the Northern Alliance should be involved more, since they would be engaged in actual fighting, being Afghanis.

What's the better deal - innocent troops dying, or innocent Afghanis? I don't know the answer.

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Larry - that is unspeakabe. I guess we are just diametrically opposite. Can you imagine Jesus doing that?

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They'll bomb us even more anyway, even more now perhaps. I only advocate that we "had" a variety of options, one of them being the due process of justice outlined in the United States constitution, Special forces strikes another, ect.

We have started a war with the governing body of another nation today, not brought mass-murderers to justice. The Talibon may be screwed with regards to human rights, but so is china. we wouldnt bomb china if terrorists lived there. we would use the LONG and CHALLENGING process of diplomacy, and follow a SPIRIT of justice, like the one born in the U.S. constitution. We had other options... now the question I have is...can we get them back?