Let's not have the wives debate. IMO, the red sweater brigade wins that one. And, sorry red sweater brigade folks, but I don't really want you to win -- though you probably will.

TL, what the hell are the red sweater brigades?

Republicans. An Example.

<font color=plum>What a joke. I'm not one to watch the debates anyway, but this is just absurd.

I wasn't looking forward to the debates because neither of them will address the issues as much as they will attack their opponents on the issue. I would want to here what Kerry plans to do about the Social Security system instead of listening to him crow about what Bush DIDN'T do or what he DID do wrong.

Of course, the whole purpose of counter-arguments and follow-up questions is to allow each candidate a chance to respond to the charges leveled by his opponent. Some character assassination will naturally occur in that setting - but it is still FAR preferable to the scripted dialogue that will be billed as the Presidential Debates this election year.</font>

Okay Timber, everything about that link creeps me out. In fact, I think I'll dress as Alan Keyes for Halloween. I'll need a red sweater...

Check out his activism list.
http://www.renewamerica.us/issues/index.htm

First on the list? Get Alan Keyes' program on primetime! MSNBC didn't put it there because of radical muslim and homosexual groups, not because it's attempting to be a semi (by cable standards) legitimate news channel.

Declaration Alliance - Make all Texas students say the 56 word "We hold these truths" bit every day! Because THAT's what's wrong with our education system. Not enough indoctrination.

and my favorite: Conservative Petitions, which has three, count em three petitions that accuse liberals of treason or demand censure. "Demand 249 turncoats in Congress and the liberal media stop risking our soldiers by politicizing the war in Iraq." What's that, like every Democrat in congress? lol.

Very important things that need public support there. I hope he, and any congressional contender who would connect him/her self to these 'issues' would lose. Soundly.

On the debates, I saw a poll on ABC world news (whatever it's called specifically) that the percentage of people who think the debate isn't at all important is up to 47% (or close to that) from 28% in 2000. 19% will rely on it to decide which candidate to vote for. (I don't recall the exact numbers or wording - it was unprinted and yesterday).

Anyone watching it at this moment in time???

<font color=cccccc>I caught the last minutes, but more importantly the closing statements. The Sen had a good dialogue, and I was thinking *wow* has he come a long way. But IMO the President sealed the show with his.</font>

I watched the horse and pony show, I didn't learn a damn thing I didn't allready know about each man and their positions/character/ideas/vision/whatnots.

I caught the opening bit and the final few minutes. Spent the time in between watching survivor on videotape (hey, the kids go to bed at 8:30).

Kerry came across very smooth to me, very polished. I did get tired of "I have a plan"... if you've got one, open it up, buddy. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Bush came across rather lackadaisical, I think. He was not very polished, and perhaps that's the image he was going for -- he's not overly polished, he's an average guy. Sometimes, listening to his answers was almost painful.

I'm not sure where I'd put the win (and of course, both camps are claiming they won). Kerry didn't encourage me to vote for him, and Bush didn't frighten me away.

Both men did an okay showing, and neither man really answered the problems alleged about them. But, the format turned out to not be so horrible as I thought it would be.