How is this relevant?
No, the assessment I make that they are either liars and/or misinformed has nothing to do with whether or not WMDs ever existed in Iraq but if they existed in the capacity that Colin Powell stated in his presentation to the U.N. or if the threat Iraq posed to the me, here in the U.S., was as stated by the President and Vice-President in countless speeches including the SotU address before the war. Any fool knew Saddam had WMD's, but how much, when, and how ready they were to be used is another matter.

Who cares? One little artillery shell that was made into an IED-the people who made this IED seemed to not even know the nature of the shell they used from what I have read, so it's use may not have even been intentional. Go ahead and wait for your apolgies. I have nothing to apologize for. Some old forgotten munitions stored away somewhere and forgotten only to found by insurgents and used unwittingly years later is hardly what I would call an imminent threat to the security of the U.S.

I can see how the Fox news crowd would get all excited about this though. This is the type of small news that can be spun and spun and spun until a mountain is indeed made out of a molehill. It also helps deflect from the smorgasbord of micalculations and failures in Iraq endured by the Bush faithful since major combat operations ceased over a year ago. The folks screaming "we were right" about this does have it's comedic side.

Anyway....

You may gloat all you want at me if it is proven that the pre-war rhetoric matched what is found post-war when it is all said and done. So far it ain't even close.

You people are hilarious! I challenge you to find a post by ANYBODY which claims "Saddam did not have WMD". We know that he had them in the past. The big question was whether they were a threat to us.

They found one shell! There could be any number of reasons why this was left around. It could even have been brought in from elsewhere.

People! I have some straws here! Anyone want to clutch at them?

:D

Absolutely no chance! Virtually everything about this war is now geared to getting Bush re-elected. It's being politicized.

"Stealing candy from a baby"? Actually the analogy I have in mind involves a mythical large box of candy, someone boasting to his skeptical friend he'll be able to pry all of it loose from the old lady whom he suspects owns it, the same guy whining and searching for months on end and finally managing to scrape one measly, half-chewed and downright icky piece of winegum off the carpet, and then doing a "HA! Told you so! You were WRONG, a LIAR!" routine plus embarrassing victory dance in front of his skeptical friend - and the analogy ends with the friend sighing deeply, rolling his eyes and deciding to go out to meet other friends who at least have *some* sense of realistic perspective, even if they may have been looking for the very same box of candy.

Anyways, if this news is truely gloat-worthy to you, then so be it - even though I actually think it's more sad and tragi-comical straw clutching at this point than an actual retortion to those who have been critical of the US's failure in locating the "promised" WMD up to this point.

If I claim that monkeys will fly out of your butt, that'd be a lie, and I'd be a liar. I'd still be a liar, even if monkeys suddenly flew out'a your butt, as I really had no idea that they would...

Didn't Bush kinda, admit that they wasn't all that sure 'bout the WoMDs after all a while back?

Did we go to war for WOWD or "the shell of mass destruction"? I have no problems with finding things - I have always hoped that things would be found that substantiated the call for war. We might have the "Liberating Iraq" call to arms now, but back when we were ready to send in the troops (and I was keen for that) it was on the basis that there would be just shitloads of WOMD. After all - our finest intel said they would be there - didn't it.

I don't discredit the find, but it ain't what George and Johnny and Tony promised me we would find. If this molehill becomes a mountain I will be one happy camper, but until that happens I will not have the gall to be be callin for apologies and gettin into any states of righteous indignation - at the moment it is still a molehill dreaming of being a mountain.

The fact is that finding the damn things is just as much of a suprise to them as it is to us. Even if there were WMDs there they didn't have sufficient evidence to know that and as such the entire war was a gamble from that point of view. But I should also stress before you knock this post down that I've always been against the war WMDs or not, and have made that clear on numerous occasions. Even if everything Bush and Blair said was true I don't think we should have gone to war.

Absolutely no chance! Virtually everything about this war is now geared to getting Bush re-elected. It's being politicized. </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=deepskyblue>Absolutely no chance at all? [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img] I didn't realize you were so knowledgeable on classified intel.

As much as I would LOVE to save this post for future reference, it usually takes 20-25 years for such info to become DE-classified...and I simply don't have your tenacity for saving posts by members to be used months down the road in an effort to embarass them.</font>

You can add my incredulity to Donut's then Cerek, because if Bush had the evidence that he said he would get - the evidence that he told the world would be found - he ain't goin to sit on it and classify it for 25 years and look like a world class drongo. Let's credit him with enough intelligence to rule out that path. I agree that classified material sits undercover for 25 years, but lets not fool ourselves. The alliance has been under pressure from day 1 to produce the proof that backs up their pre-invasion beliefs. To have people believe that they would classify now, when their intent at every turn thus far has been to run to the press beggars belief. I would be more inclined to consider that the intel people classified it because they wanted to be sure before if became news - let's face it they have jumped up and cried wolf a few times already over the past 12 months.

Cheers to everyone for a fine performance so far. We're all doing really well sticking to our scripts. Okay -- break a leg out there!

[ 05-19-2004, 11:21 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]