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Originally posted by khazadman:
Faceman I ask you to show me where the signs are of fascists controlling anything in this country. This country is too conservative to ever become fascist. That's for the lefty Europeans.

I used the word fascism/fascist twice in my topic on bith instances implying that the US is NOT fascist but turns into a all too authoritarian direction.
Also fascim is not equal to nazism and though all fascist movements derived from socialistic movements it is the conservatives who are moving into that direction the most currently while the socialists seem to be taken over by the liberals.

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Originally posted by Skunk:
Of course it's ridiculous to compare any leader with another. However one can compare policies of a similar nature.

Let's make a comparison of Bush and Hitler -
Differences

Personal features -
Hitler was small, had a moustache and stood up straight.
Bush is taller, has no moustache and stands up like a ape.
Hitler was a brillant orator
Bush has trouble saying any sentence that has more than four words in it.

Domestic Policies -
Hitler promised the working classes that he would make them better off and create high employment (promises which he did deliver).
Bush promised the rich that he would make them better off (a promise that he has delivered) and created high unemployment
Hitler improved the German economy.
Bush has damaged the US economy.
Hitler put political dissidents in detention camps on german soil without allowing them access to lawyers.
Bush puts political dissidents in detention camps on foreign soil without allowing them access to lawyers.

Foreign Policies
Hitler invaded his neigbour without cause and occupied the land in the name of bringing Freedom. The invasion brought wealth to the German economy.
Bush invaded a country that was not his neigbour, without cause, and occupied the land in the name of bringing Freedom. The invasion damaged the US economy.

Similaritiess
Bush and Hitler both instigated security laws that:
1. Discriminate against a particular society (Hitler against Jews, Bush against foreigners)
2. Allowed the state to spy on its citizens without their knowledge
3. Detained citizens without access to judicial process

And of course:
Hitler made the world both hate and fear his country.
Bush made the world both hate and fear his country.

No, they have committed a few similar actions, but not enough to call them the same (yet).

I would like to personnaly thank you for illustrating the point of the artical(sp?) with such clearity.

<font color="orange">Calling Bush anything approaching Hitler is ridiculous. The two leaders are incredibly different, and any comparison truly doesn't understand either. There is simply no comparison, at all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but fascism is a lot closer to right wing policies, at least economically, than to left wing politics. Free market, but controlled political situation. Extreme right. Extreme left: well, basically the USSR. ;) </font>

Great post Skunk,Maybe Bush and Hitler arn't twins but...cousins? maybe.

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Originally posted by True_Moose:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but fascism is a lot closer to right wing policies, at least economically, than to left wing politics. Free market, but controlled political situation. Extreme right. Extreme left: well, basically the USSR. ;) </font>

That's true nowadays. And in the Spanish Civil War the Rebublicans were supported by Socialists from around the world while the Nationalists were supported by Hitler. But Franco's party as well as Mussolini's and Hitler's started out as a Socialist party. Mussolini even was a Communist before that.
NSDAP was short for "National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei"

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Fascism is for lefties [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img]

I'm sorry, but that's is such an absurd statement [img]graemlins/reallyroll.gif[/img]

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Fascism=left wing?

I don't think you have a grasp on the subject matter.

I already replied to that once.
Nowadays the left wing is strictly anti-fascistic (and vice-versa which is why you can't really join an anti-fascist NGO in Austria without being part of or associated with the Communist party :D )
However back in the days when fascists first were given that name their movements derived from Socialist parties or parties with at least a Socialist agenda.
Once again: NSDAP is short for
National Socialist German Workers Party

[ 09-10-2003, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: Faceman ]

Darn this man! Just when I'd helped to establish that you can not compare him to Hitler, he goes and gets his photo taken doing this!

Grrr! I feel like I've been stabbed in the back!
yahoo News
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com.../mdf359868.jpg

I think the political compass thread does a good job discussing fascism and the flaws of applying a simple left/right label to things. ;)