Maybe it's time for the majority in this country to take it back. Many people out here in the real world, as opposed to easily offended academics, are tired of having their beliefs trampled by social engeneers who want to remake this nation into something more closely resembling one of the socialist European states.

I agree that if you are not Christian, your chances of getting elected to public office (above the local level) in this country are between slim and none.

Thank the Founders they had the forsight to keep this from happening.
The only way this would happen would be through an coup, you would not be advocating the overthrow of our constitutional government now would you?

[ 07-02-2003, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Rokenn ]

Thank the Founders they had the forsight to keep this from happening.
The only way this would happen would be through an coup, you would not be advocating the overthrow of our constitutional government now would you? </font>[/QUOTE]No. I have pointed out before that we are to some degree socialist. In a "capitalist" society, private enterprise owns everything. In communism, the government owns everything. Socialism is very truly the vast sliding scale in between the two, of varying degrees of how much the government owns property and substitutes social services and government monopolies for those that would otherwise be provided by private enterprise.

Considering our government collects on average 50% of all of our dollars (between state, fed, and local) and spends them for us and Norway's government collects about 60-70% of their citizens currency (Euro?) to spend, is there really a vast difference allowing us to label one as "Capitalist" and the other as "Socialist?" [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] You may be offended by the idea or the word "socialism," but do not let that blind you to the reality that the USA is quite socialistic.

For me that says it all. If you consider a saying wise put it in marble and hang it on your wall. I don't care who said what as long as it's clever (I'm rather machiavellistic that way). I got Bible quotes, Talmud quotes, Veda quotes, Gandhi quotes, ML King quotes, Clausewitz quotes, Cicero quotes, Plato quotes, ... (endless list) present to make clever remarks in any situation and as long as they make sense and are not offensive in an extremely obvious way (telling "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" to someone from Athens) I use them. Technically the whole world should now hate me or at least be very offended -am I getting that right? - the Moslems for using Bible quotes, the Christians for using Veda quotes, the pacifists for using Clausewitz, the white people for quoting Dr. King, the descendants of Catilina for quoting Cicero and so on...

Point is: "Thou shalt not kill" is pretty smart no matter if you put Old Testimony, Evangelium, Buddha, Gandhi, King, Bertha von Suttner, ... as a source.

Well, I am from the "Great State of Alabama." I don't know if this was mentionned but the statue was paid for with privately donated funds. I agree wholehartedly with TL, if the statue had the "Code of Hammurabi" on it it would be a non-issue.

It will not end here; he is going to appeal to the Supreme Court, I think.

Answer from this Christian: Perfectly comfortable, I am to render unto Cesaer what is Cesear's and until God what is God's.

Hear, Hear! This does say it all.

I'm a Pagan from Alabama originally and know just how radical and intolerant the religious right can get down there. They would probably spit brimstone and ash and all the Lord's wrath if the Koran and a Witch's book of shadows were on display at the public courthouse. Leave religion at home or at church or on the bumper of your car, not on or in goverment buildings. </font>[/QUOTE]Well Chewbacca, I beleive you are letting your own bigotry and predijustice cloud you. I am from and currently live in Alabama, voted for judge Moore,along with the majority of the voting population of Alabama, I am also a Christian, INFACT I would be considered by majority of the world's population to be part of the RELIGIOUS RIGHT, and answered the question the EXACT oposite of the way you put forth in your above statement. I find it interesting that (as of reading down to your reply) only two comments where made about the question of how Christains would feel about the Koran, or any other religious laws posted in a court, AND both replies DID NOT wait until a Christian to answered before they passed judgment.

Why not have the 10 comandments in court? Could it be because that would be considered imposing Judge Moore's views on others? If that is so then NOT having the 10 comandments in the court would be IMPOSING somebody else's views on the majority of the voting population of the state of Alabama who voted for Judge Moore knowing full well he was going to put the 10 comandments up. But I guess it is ok to IMPOSE some views, but not other views, HMMMMMMM?
What about imposing one's sense morality in the law? Well guess what ALL laws are imposing somebody's sense of morality. That is what laws are!!! DICTATING Right and wrong, same with morality right and wrong.

The US Supreme Court opens with a prayer, Both houses of Congress open with prayers, and the Supreme Court has up held their right to do so.

[ 07-02-2003, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

Spare me the tales of persecuted Christians, they are the dominant religious group in the US. They Christian right is constantly trying to push it's moral views on the rest of us via any means available from high pressure lobbying to running stealth canidates for local school boards. They are the ones who are constantly pushing for the teaching of creationism in public schools. For the outlawing of a woman's right to choose. Fighting tooth and nail against any kind of legal rights for same-sex couples.

In current society it is almost a requirement that you state your belief in God to be elected to any office. </font>[/QUOTE]And spare me the tales of the persecuted NON Christains, who have forced their views on people, from teaching of evolution, and other religeons in the puplic schools to the onesided view of it's a female's body but the male which HAS TO CONTRIBUTE 1/2 of the genes has no say in the matter, But he sure as "Hale" IS HOT can be forced to pay for the child even if he doesn't want it. And females wonder why males aren't wanting to commit to a serious realtionship.

As for getting elected because somebody professes belief in God, big WOOOPTY DOO! That's life in a Constituional Representative Rebulic. Instead of spending time piss'n moun'n, why don't non beleivers go out and impress upon their fellow non beleivers the importance of voting in a Constituional Represenative Republic?

[ 07-02-2003, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

Hear, Hear! This does say it all.

I'm a Pagan from Alabama originally and know just how radical and intolerant the religious right can get down there. They would probably spit brimstone and ash and all the Lord's wrath if the Koran and a Witch's book of shadows were on display at the public courthouse. Leave religion at home or at church or on the bumper of your car, not on or in goverment buildings. </font>[/QUOTE]Well Chewbacca, I beleive you are letting your own bigotry and predijustice cloud you. I am from and currently live in Alabama, voted for judge Moore,along with the majority of the voting population of Alabama, I am also a Christian, INFACT I would be considered by majority of the world's population to be part of the RELIGIOUS RIGHT, and answered the question the EXACT oposite of the way you put forth in your above statement. I find it interesting that (as of reading down to your reply) only two comments where made about the question of how Christains would feel about the Koran, or any other religious laws posted in a court, AND both replies DID NOT wait until a Christian to answered before they passed judgment.

Why not have the 10 comandments in court? Could it be because that would be considered imposing Judge Moore's views on others? If that is so then NOT having the 10 comandments in the court would be IMPOSING somebody else's views on the majority of the voting population of the state of Alabama who voted for Judge Moore knowing full well he was going to put the 10 comandments up. But I guess it is ok to IMPOSE some views, but not other views, HMMMMMMM?
What about imposing one's sense morality in the law? Well guess what ALL laws are imposing somebody's sense of morality. That is what laws are!!! DICTATING Right and wrong, same with morality right and wrong.

The US Supreme Court opens with a prayer, Both houses of Congress open with prayers, and the Supreme Court has up held their right to do so. </font>[/QUOTE]Mr. Harris I spent quite a few years on the recieving end of alot of bigotry and intolerance from southern christians in Montgomery Alabama, so I am qualified to know how some of them will react. Never call me a bigot again. Name calling isnt allowed on this forum and calling some one a bigot is serious in my book.

[ 07-03-2003, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]