<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 250:
you two dont know shit, so quit it
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nice. interesting debates with enlightened persons that know shit is always welcomed. excuse me whilst i take a few hours to ponder the depth of your excellently phrased response. good day to you.

Cool it people, let us not let tempers flare here. I believe that all can be forgiven, and no crime unpardonable, so long as forgiveness and pardon is earned. If a man who has forfeited 20 years of his life in jail to ponder upon what he has done, and decides to change, should he not be given as much opportunity as anyone else to live? Passion has no room in government because it gets in the way of good decency and common sense. What might be true to 250 might not hold true for anyone else, but in government all people are represented, and all people have say.
250, if you're not human when it comes to murderers and rapists, you forfeit your right to be treated as one, because if murderers and rapists weren't human for several moments when they commited those crimes, and are punished for it, then I should think you are no less deserving of the same fate you have prescribed.
You may be human, but for those moments in your life when you look at a murderer in the eye and tell him he doesnt have the right to live, you arent a person.

my answer is so ■■■■■■■ what?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 250:
you two dont know shit, so quit it
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For gods sakes 250 stop this will you!

You seem to think that you CANNOT be possibly wrong and that anything you say should be taken as scripture.
If you want to add to a debate than add to it! But a debate is an argument based on DIFFERING opinions and views which you seem to think incomprehensible.
Grow up.

Thats just beautiful 250. An argument that transcends the normal bounds of reason and leaps straight into the subconscious via swearwords. I used to be a socialist but now I am seriosly considering changing my entire philosiphy.

Anyway, what I have to say seriously is that everyone is a human being. Whatever they are doing they are still human. I don't think that we have the right to kill them and I don't think it will help anything either. Is executing a murderer going to stop other people murdering? It appears not because America has a higher crime rate than Britain despite many states relying on capital punishment. So what does it solve? Does it make us feel better? I don't know. Anyway, thats what I think on the matter.

Aurewolf, you are telling me to what? grow up? while you dont know the least thing about it, funny

I tell you what, there is no excuse for murder or rape. any one of your people was raped? has any one of your family members being murdered?? talking about ■■■■■■■ forgiveness then!!!! loads of bullshit!

yeah they are humanbeing, just look at what they did to other "fellow human beings". a death sentence is the least deserving thing to the scum shit on my list. once they did what they did, they have no rights to be treated as humanbeings. let God do the forgiving job, we will arrange the meeting.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by AzureWolf:

You seem to think that you CANNOT be possibly wrong and that anything you say should be taken as scripture.<hr></blockquote>

first of all I dont think like that. second, even if I do, is it your busines??? back off

allrite this debate is just becoming a slanging match. Can we not just leave it now.

250, you were out of line here, mate. Swearing at other people in a discussion and telling them that they "don't know shit" is not acceptable here and I thought you knew that by now.

If you feel emotionally/personally about a topic and can't discuss it in a civil manner, then don't discuss it at all. Walk away. No need to be so aggressive to other people who are just stating their opinion. I'm disappointed in you.

To everyone else: I'll keep this open but any more of this type of rubbish and this discussion is history. Is this clear?

Well, I'm actually quite glad that when I came back to this topic that there is quite a few people whose view is similar to mine, so obviously I'm not just a lone weirdo, but anyway, 250, you said that a murderer/rapist deserves to die slowly and painfully, but as I said earlier, that means you would be doing the exact same wrong as them (in the murderers case anyway) you would be taking someones life without the right to.
HOWEVER much they deserve to die.