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Moiraine

05-10-2001 08:14 AM

So basically you are saying that we girlies actually are men with a little something more ! Damn this Freud man trying to have us thinking the opposite ... http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

I am both a man and a woman - can you say such ? http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

I am a WOW!-man !!! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/noncgi/smiles/485.gif

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Sir_Tainly

05-10-2001 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by Donut:
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As you probably know, in England, surgeons are not addressed as Dr but as Mr or Miss. Even when a female surgeon marries she reatains her maiden name and the title Miss.With the exception of one of the Queen Mother's orthopaedic surgeons Mr William Muirhead-Allwood who underwent a sex change and re-emerged as Miss Sarah Muirhead-Allwood. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

I really meant job titles rather than how one address said individual, but I take your point. In the military certainly the RAF, an individual must reach a particular rank before he can be addressed as Mr. Otherwise the peron must be refered to by their rank and surname, Only applies when talking down the chain of command, else it's Sir http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Moiraine

05-10-2001 08:18 AM

Actually, Yorick, I just mad a little etymological research - it seems that 'woman' doesn't come from 'womb' but from an Old English word 'wifmann', mann meaning mankind and wiff meaning female (this word ultimately gave 'wife').

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Yorick

05-10-2001 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Moiraine:
Actually, Yorick, I just mad a little etymological research - it seems that 'woman' doesn't come from 'womb' but from an Old English word 'wifmann', mann meaning mankind and wiff meaning female (this word ultimately gave 'wife').

Wife originated as an alternate meaning for woman yes. I find wiffmann a bit of a stretch though. I've done some language origin reading and found sometimes the opinions vary hugely. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/crap.gif
Maybe thats true, in which case what did the wiff mean as opposed to wiffmann being shortened to wiff. Why was it added in the first place?

How many other guys call/called their wives Wiff? I did. Wiffy, Wiff. Seems the language unwittingly did a full circle in my case

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WOLFGIR

05-10-2001 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Yorick:
Wife originated as an alternate meaning for woman yes. I find wiffmann a bit of a stretch though. I've done some language origin reading and found sometimes the opinions vary hugely. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/crap.gif
Maybe thats true, in which case what did the wiff mean as opposed to wiffmann being shortened to wiff. Why was it added in the first place?

How many other guys call/called their wives Wiff? I did. Wiffy, Wiff. Seems the language unwittingly did a full circle in my case

Hey i knew that one!
When I studied english we had some papers on this subject. Alot of doing with the sefaring around scandinavia and also the english islands. Alot of words were borrowed from each other. There is an old saga called just the seafarer fromaround eh 900 ac something and it´s originated from england and I could understand it without problems because more than half the words sounded like alot of the words used today in many scandinavian languages. I can have alook and see if I can dig out some of my notes about it if anyone is interested (or if my now partying werewolf hasn´t gotten to them first.)

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Sir_Tainly

05-10-2001 08:54 AM

Wolfie, just look at the Days of the week in English, some of them are borrowed from the scandinavians and named after their Norse gods

Wednesday = Wodan
Thursday = Thor
Friday = Freya (sp?)

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Throntar

05-10-2001 08:55 AM

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Donut,

Can you explain why that is? Is it just customary...or is there some sort of reason for not referring to surgeons as "Dr."? Seems to me that is a little bizarre as surgeons are simply specialized doctors. I'm curious... http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/confused.gif

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Yorick

05-10-2001 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by Sir_Tainly:
Wolfie, just look at the Days of the week in English, some of them are borrowed from the scandinavians and named after their Norse gods

Wednesday = Wodan
Thursday = Thor
Friday = Freya (sp?)

Sun day
Moon day
Tue's day (Celtic God of War I believe)
Woden's day (Norse King God Odin's day)
Thor's day (Norse God of Thunder)
Freya's day (Norse Goddess of Love and Beauty I believe)
Saturn' day (King of the Titan's - Zeus' father)

What gets me about the months of the year is they made perfect sense: OCTober (eight) SEPTember (seventh) NOVember (ninth) and DECember (tenth) until some idiot added July (Julius Caeser) and August (Augustus Caeser) IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR!!!!

Hello!

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Yorick

05-10-2001 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by WOLFGIR:

There is an old saga called just the seafarer from around 900 ac something and it´s originated from england and I could understand it without problems because more than half the words sounded like alot of the words used today in many scandinavian languages.

Incredible. I love how languages develop.

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Moiraine

05-10-2001 09:09 AM

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Ah, thanks ! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif I always wondered why some but not all English names were so different from the French ones ! French names for the days of the week smply come from the Solar System planets :

Lundi = Monday = Moon day (Moon = Lune)
Mardi = Tuesday = Mars day
Mercredi = Wednesday = Mercury day
Jeudi = Thursday = Jupiter day
Vendredi = Friday = Venus day
Samedi = Saturday = Saturn day
Dimanche = Sunday = ??? (I don't know for this one ...)

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