the objective of this topic (i think) was to build a lord of the rings party not a strong party, so Legolas should be a ranger

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[ 09-19-2003, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: dplax ]

yeah but it was also to be creative so ill allow any ideas. actually, i have yet to make a LOTR party but i do have a cool FF9 party.

Zidane-hobbit rouge
Steiner-Human lord
Freya-elf (i guess) valkerie
Amarant-human(?) monk
Dagger-human Preist(ess)
Vivi-elf (not really) Mage

i know im going off topic but its an idea

i like your idea for that party allstargoaly. tell me if you have any more ideas or if anybody approves of my other idea. thanx

I am currently running a LOTR party. I had a difficult time classing Frodo, as he didn't really do that much in the movie or book except carry the ring. In the end I made him a rogue, didn't know what else to class. The party is as follows.

Aragorn-Lord weilding bloodlust and dagger ranged weapon longbow
Gimli-Fighter weilding axes no ranged weapon
Frodo-Rogue weilding a broadsword and theives buckler ranged weapon sling
Samwise-Bard weilding a bastard sword and lithe shield ranged weapon sling
Legolas-Ranger with longbow and wielding enchanted sword and dagger
Gandalf-Mage weilding quarterstaff no ranged weapon

I had to have Sam in the party because Frodo never went anywhere without Sam. I decided to make Sam a bard because he recited and read poetry so I decided the bard role would suit him well.

I am dumping points in the bow skill for Aragorn since he was a ranger the first half of the movie and dumping points into sword and dual weilding for Legolas since he used swords as well as his bow.

The only annoying thing about Wiz 8 is the fact the hybrids level up so slowly. This means I will have to hunt XP's for a bit before going to certain places in the game, like trynton and bayjin. I'm going to need magic screen and soul shield in those places and since Aragorn is the only one in the party that can learn these spells and he's a hybrid it's going to take him quite awhile to get to the appropriate level to learn them.

I don't have Sam and Frodo doing much melee combat, as hobbits were mostly good at throwing stones, so they both do more ranged combat than anything else.

I am trying to stay as close to the book and movie as I can. Someone posted if you stayed true to tolkien you couldn't level your hobbits, but I have to disagree with that. By the end of the book the hobbits had gained in wisdom and experience so I see no reason not to level them up in the game.

I'm not planning on taking any RPC's with me through this game. Normally I have Vi and RFS but they don't fit the party theme so I'm not taking them this game. I did rescue Vi, took her to Braffit and then He'li's and left her at he'li's.

If anyone has a better suggestion on what to class Frodo as I'd really appreciate some other ideas. I'm not that far in this game yet and can always start over classing Frodo as something else. I don't feel comfortable with Frodo as a rogue, just doesn't seem to fit him, but I can't think of anything else that does fit him lol

"The wheels keep turning..."

I was thinking a little bit more about the LOTR party. And I decided to use http://www.mindflay.com to help me out a bit. I started to look for weapons that would (sort of) be replicas of the characters swords, daggers, accessories, etc. This is what I came up with...


Aragorn (Ranger): Primary 1) Blade of Cuisinart
Secondary 1) Doublestrike Dagger
Primary 2) Eagle Eye Bow
Secondary 2) Peacemakers

Legolas (Samuri): Primary 1) Muaramasa Blade
Secondary 1) Enchanted Wakazashi
Primary 2) Strong Bow
Secondary 2) Peacemakers

Gimli (Fighter): Primary 1) Blades of Aesir
Secondary 1) N/A
Primary 2) Beastslayer
Secondary 2) Bearded War Axe

Gandalf (Bishop): Primary 1) Ebon Staff
Secondary 1) N/A
Primary 2) Rod of Sprites
Secondary 2) N/A

Frodo (Rogue): Primary 1) Fang (kind of like "Sting")
Secondary 1) Theives Dagger
Primary 2) Doubleshot Sling
Secondary 2) Gold Nuggets

Sam (Bard): Primary 1) Cutlass
Secondary 1) Poignard
Primary 2) Doubleshot Sling
Secondary 2) Gold Nuggets


That was all that I could come up with for weapons. I'm still looking at armor; which got me thinking again (always thinking). What about the "ONE RING". I searched all through mindflay.com and couldn't find anything that would "fit" the standards for the Ring. The only thing that came close was the "Fey Ring". It was "cursed" (the One Ring was kind of cursed), Speed +10, and Stealth +20 (like you could "disapear" if you put the ring on!!! hmmm...). But (here is the kicker) it could only be worn by Elves or Faeries.

So... if anyone has found a good alternative for the "One Ring" just let me know.

IMO hobbits should only use daggers, not swords. A human sword would be far too big for them to use. In fact, Sting was an elven dagger, and the other hobbits used numenoren (sp?) daggers from the old wood.

I agree with that wereboar. I'm just saying that "fang" and "sting" are kind of alike. They're both good weapons, they have a one word name (which the names to me seem very close), and the "fang" can be used by a hobbit/rogue.

The two weapons are so close togehter that fang was the only weapon that looked/sounded like sting. Plus if you remember well, daggers do bismal damage compared to swords. I mean the highest stats for daggers is 5-14. The fang does 8-20!!! True hobbits in the story didn't use human swords. But (if you are trying to duplicate Tolkin) Aragorn isn't a lord, Legolas isn't a ranger, and Frodo wasn't much of a theif/rogue.

It goes back to my original theory. If you want a TRUE LOTR party, it quite impossible to create in wiz8. If you want a party that has many similarities (but breaks the rules) then you have a chance.

I stand by my original party and this is why...

Aragorn: Ranger
Legolas: Samuri
Gimli: Fighter
Gandalf: Bishop
Frodo: Rogue
Sam: Bard

Aragron is a ranger!!! Lords are the "true crusaders" of wiz8. Crusaders were men who fought in the name of their religion (like in the CRUSADES, crusaders fought in the name of Christ/GOD). Where in Tolkin's writings is there any mention of Aragorn being a "crusader"? Aragorn is a ranger (Tolkin said that himself)!!! I mean it isn't like he doesn't know how to use a bow. Plus, rangers learn Alchemy spells. If you remember correctly, Frodo was stabbed by a "Morgul" blade. Aragorn didn't cast a "healing spell" on Frodo to cure him; he looked for the plant called "kingsfoil" and used it to "slow the poison". Isn't Alchemy the art of mixing potions and "herb/plants" togehter for usage (mostly for medical treatment, hmmmm...). Aragorn is a ranger!!!

Legolas is NOT a ranger!!! Legolas does know how to use a bow, but there are some swords that a ranger can't even use (broadsword, ench. broadsword, walriblade, etc.) You would have to wait until later in the game to even get a half way decent sword and you can only use ONE. Basically, there are no professions that allow you to use dual swords (except for the samuri). Don't get me wrong, a samuri is a little far fetched, but not as far fetched as a ranger. Again, Legoals isn't a ranger!!! Say you want to make Legolas a ranger... what two swords can you use to duplicate his "twin elvsih blades"? There are NONE!!! You would have to use daggers. And as I previously stated, daggers are weak compared to swords. Samuri not only have twin blades; they can also equip nearly all bows and cast Mage spells. Like Arwen at the river (1st book), she didn't cast an Alchemy spell, she "sent" a huge wave of water that swept up the Nazgul. And by the way, Legolas was not a ranger in the books/movie. Tolkin nevered stated that Legolas was a ranger. He might share the same traits as a one, but if you want to get as close as possible to Tolkin, Legolas is NOT a ranger!!!

Gimli is a fighter. Everyone got that one correct.

Gandalf, is really questionable. I put down bishop and no one really has a problem with that.

Frodo... I mean rogue is good, but if you are going to argue that Aragorn is a lord and Legolas is a ranger then WHY would Frodo be a theif? I mean come on; Frodo didn't really steal anything. And he wasn't good at picking "magical locks". Good for dagger skill but there are no real good daggers. Geeze, just make him into a monk if you are going to make Legolas into a ranger (that way they can both be COMPLETELY WRONG).

I think everyone got Sam right. He is a bard. I mean he told stories (which was considered "singing" long ago [i.e. bard]) and he "boosted" the moral of the fellowship (mostly Frodo).


Once again, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to make an exact copy of the fellowship in wiz8. You have to use your imagination and bend and/or break the darn rules. But if you are going to argue that Legolas is a ranger, Argorn is a lord, and Frodo is a rogue; then make Gandalf into a mook/gadgeteer (it makes about the same sense).

[ 09-22-2003, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: allstargoaly ]

interesting thoughts. thats does sound about as close as you can get. thanx a lot! this should most likely get me started.

i hate to put a damper on your plans for weapons allstargoaly, but you did not read the fine print on the rod of sprites, "can only be used by fairies (i.e. the rod of sprites)." in my opinion gandolf bears no resemblance to a fairy (lol) [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

I can't remember that Tolkien ever mentioned that Legolas used a sword, let alone that he duals swords.
In the film, he sometimes uses things that look like very small swords. In this case, use daggers. Well, they are weaker than swords, but this is why Legolas usually uses his bow.

In the first book, Frodo was alone at the river (Glorfindel didn't ride with him, but send him forth). The flood is caused by a long-time spell from elronds spell (with help from Gandalf - he's responsible for the horses). And its triggered by Murazar (the nazgul leader) entering the river, not by a spell.

Lets just say the game doesn't lend itself to this type of party very well. But if you're going to have Legolas he has to be a Ranger. No other class can excel in the Scouting ability which was one of his strong points. He could see what the others couldn't. Give him a bow, of any type and two daggers for melee since you can't use an arrow as a melee weapon which he used to great effect a couple of times. This is also the best choice for the mythology skill, because Legolas is old he knows the races. He should also not wear more than leather armor.
Aragorn should also be a Ranger because he is a Ranger! There are enough choices of melee weapons for him that he won't be too restricted. He can be made into a Lord late when he becomes the King, but this will have some drawbacks. The restriction to chainmail is also good since that was the most he ever wore.
Frodo and Sam are a bit tricky, but I think Rogue would be the closest. I would build their mythology and artifacts, or something and a lot of stealth besides combat since they really never were good fighters.
Gandalf would be really difficult because of his fighting abilities. I think I'd give him a few rounds as a fighter and then go to.... I guess Bishop? He really never did much magic throughout the entire book if you think about it. He never cast much in the way of healing, I guess he could cast anything. He would also have to be an elf, since you can't pick a god as a choice and he did have one of the three elven rings.
Gimli is dwarven fighter, plain and simple, with axe ability.

You are right wereboar. I mistook the movie for the book.

I have the three books at home, and I reread some of the pages. I was wrong and admit that. It has been a while since I have read the books and since the movies came out... (I've gotten lazy on Tolkin's writings).

As for the two swords/daggers that Legolas uses... The book doesn't mention them (as wereboar claims). If you watch the movie and play the video game (The Two Towers) Legolas has dual swords/daggers. You can argue that they're daggers or even swords but in the end which ever you think is the right choice will depend if you want Legolas to be a ranger or a samuri.