Man, I don't know how in the heck you guys can possibly beat nessie that easily. What are you using to do 900+ damage in 4 rounds?

Whne I fought nessie, I was @lvl 15 and I just had to restart and try over and over again until I got lucky and had some of my spells and hits luckily disable (hold or knock out) her early.

My lvl17 fighter wouldn't even do ANY damage to her about 85% of his hits and I still don't know why. He was using Bloodlust. My valk & bard would do damage when they hit, but for some reason my fighter wouldn't, unless she was unconscious or held.

She resisted every every spell I threw at her 95% of the time. The only way I beat her was to put the game on easy and try over and over again. I think I finally got her on my 8th try, and like I said that was just because I got lucky and my spells happened to work on her (silenced her first round), then the robot monk guy paralyzed her with that T'Rang rod that you gotta steal from that room on his first hit. She was paralyzed until she was down to < 100Hps and I was able to finish her off from there.

I don't understand how you guys do so much damage to her and avoid taking damage from her. Hell, her spells would kill in one hit half the time, and about 20% of the melee hits she got on me caused a swallow. Either you guys are partially full of it, or you're just very lucky.

j

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by jfunk:
Man, I don't know how in the heck you guys can possibly beat nessie that easily. What are you using to do 900+ damage in 4 rounds?

My lvl17 fighter wouldn't even do ANY damage to her about 85% of his hits and I still don't know why. He was using Bloodlust.

I don't understand how you guys do so much damage to her and avoid taking damage from her. Hell, her spells would kill in one hit half the time, and about 20% of the melee hits she got on me caused a swallow. Either you guys are partially full of it, or you're just very lucky.

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OK.
Giving a bloodlust to a Fighter is not a very good idea. A fighter already berzerks naturally, its better to give him a demonsbane or something more powerfull if u got it.
My fighter uses demonsbane and Diamond Eyes. level 18 he was i think.
But the most important thing u can do on ur first round with nessie is this.
Well let me just tell u what i did.
Bishop cast a level 5 eye for an eye on my feable minded fighter.
Priest cast level 7 silence.
Ranger shoot her arrow
Fairy ninja drink superman
samurai drink superman
Fighter drink superman

Then i cast stuff like haste, soul shield,armormelt,dehydrate....etc.
my melee guys keep hitting till nessie died really fast.

And no its not pure luck
yes this is a hard game.
But unlike what most people might think, a real CRPG take some aquired skill to play well.
Just like games like Counter-strike and Starcraft take some skill so does this.
Im sure other veteran players here prolly guys like vapra, have picked up certain skills from playing other games of this genre.
Always cover every part of the map.
Always use as much of your magic as possible if it helps you grow faster.
Always use your worst ammo for ranged attackers. save all good ammo for the late game unless you absolutely need it.
Use the weapons u are training in even if u pick up better weapons.
Then when u get to a boss battle switch to the better weapon.
Always keep ur party supplied with the potions or powders that used for emergencies or big battles than might pop up.
Ohh dont waste those potions and powders,. use ur spells instead and save those items for important battles.
Save your money.
Go slow.. take your time.. so u dont miss secrets or hints.
Write important shit down. Damn i remeber when we had to not only right down the hints but also graph the dungeons as u went so u could get out afterwards.
specialize as much as you can. even if u end up picking the specialty that isnt the best at least you will be reall good at a few things and not mediocre at a lot things.
Try to play big battles like if you were playing a strategy game. move by move.

ohh and never play in easy. your charachters wont develop all the way.

Now of topic.
Wouldnt it be cool if some other publisher made an online expansion that let you pit your party in a battle against other people's parties.
To enter the fight you would have to put in an item that your party had, and the other party would put an equally valuable item. and the winner takes the item.
Like a giants sword for a mook ranger.
traded for
Cane of Corpus for a fairy ninja.
or
spiders silk
for a
venom crab shell
hehe.


I dont have any RPC's either.
I try to always have each of my guys carry some superman potions and ressurect powder.

When I encountered Nessie, I took care of her in under 4 rounds thanks to critical kill. Just like all skill, if you concentrate on its development it's devastating.

I would like to stop using Bloodlust with my fighter, but infortunately something weird has happened with him. When I give him another sword, he only gets one attack per round and one swing. With Bloodlust he gets 2-3 attackers per round with 2-4 swings per attack.

I know that he will get LESS attacks without Bloodlust since its initiative is so high, but he should be getting more than one. He even got more than one back when he was level 5 or 6 and I hand't even gotten Bloodlust.

Anyway, I know how to play with strategy, I too have been playing since the old days. I still have my handmade maps on graph paper from Wiz I.

However, unless your skills were massively higher than mine, luck has everything to do with the fact that your spells actually functioned on Nessie. That one silence I got on her was the only non-damage spell that she did not totally resist during my 8 tries to beat her. Damage spells actually worked about 50% of the time, but she would only take 1-8 points from it, which was hardly helping. I was casting all spells at the highest level I could.

I haven't had any trouble with any other parts of the game thus far. The rinjynn (SP?) were pretty tough, but I still made it through there on my first try with just having to ressurect one character once.

Now, I don't spend any time just sitting around casting for no reason to increase my skills like some people do, but I still can't see my skills being THAT much lower than others of a comparable level to make nessie able to resist them so much better. My alchemist had about 20 powercast skill at the time I think (can't really remember).

So anyway, what were you doing so much damage with that you were able to average over 200Hps a round to her?? My spells that she didn't manage to resist outright were only doing about 2-10hps at their max level I could cast and my fighter, when he was able to do damage, would get about 50hps worth each round. With my other guys all added up, I was doing about 100-120 per round if everybody hit and penetrated, and that was with her held/sleeping. Without sleep, take 50hps off since my fighter for some reason did NONE every hit.

Very strange. Are nessie's stats randomized at all?? Mabye I just got a tougher spawn of her than normal or something....???/


j

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> I would like to stop using Bloodlust with my fighter, but infortunately something weird has happened with him. When I give him another sword, he only gets one attack per round and one swing. With Bloodlust he gets 2-3 attackers per round with 2-4 swings per attack.

I know that he will get LESS attacks without Bloodlust since its initiative is so high, but he should be getting more than one. He even got more than one back when he was level 5 or 6 and I hand't even gotten Bloodlust.
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Have you switched the fighter into Bezerk mode after removing Bloodlust? or have you got him on the standard weapon attack? You have to manually put him into bezerk mode if you havent done so previously.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> So anyway, what were you doing so much damage with that you were able to average over 200Hps a round to her?? My spells that she didn't manage to resist outright were only doing about 2-10hps at their max level I could cast and my fighter, when he was able to do damage, would get about 50hps worth each round. With my other guys all added up, I was doing about 100-120 per round if everybody hit and penetrated, and that was with her held/sleeping. Without sleep, take 50hps off since my fighter for some reason did NONE every hit.
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High weapon skills, combat skills. Weapons with effects that make it easier to kill Nessie. Use Fang, Dread spear, etc. (weapons that are decent dmg). For Nessie you dont need to cats on her. All you need to do is put up superman and make sure you have either the Heal All spell or a couple of Heal All scrolls. You shouldnt be dying in 1 cast of a spell/breath attack at level 15 unless you havent been putting up spells such as Soul Shield, Elemental Shield & Magic Screen. Putting up Eye 4 Eye will add some dmg to her fi she "does" cast a spell on you. My normal party that i like to play when im bored is of a:
Felpurr Samurai - Fang - Enchanted Waz.
Fairie Ninja - Cane of Corpus - Sai/Sprites Dagger
Rogue - Bloodlust - Thieves Dagger
Bard - 3x X-Bow - Hunter Quarrels
2x Elf Bishops. Doom Staff on 1 Bishop. Disruptor Mace on other with shield.

With that group at level 15 i could take down Nessie without breaking a sweat or having a character die.

On another note so you know how those characetrs are developed. this is how i work on my stats for each char.
Class---1st stats-2nd stats
Samurai-Spd & Str-Dex & Sen
Ninja---Spd & Str-Dex & Sen
Rogue---Spd & Dex-Str & Sen
Bard----Spd & Sen-Dex & Int (i get str upto 60 then use 2 Rings of the Road)
Bishops-Int & Pie-Str & Vit

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it sounds like u are attacking plainly instead of with the berserk ability with ur other weapons

another thing is that my 2 main casters both have maxxed out intelligence and piety
and one almost maxxed powercast the other is at about 65

the superman potions help alot
and if eye for an eye takes care of most of her magic if silence doesnt work.
also equip someone with a weapon that stuns or paralyzes if u can
my ninja uses CoC and Nunchaka, i believe both have a good chance to paralyze. And i did paralyze nessie so taht made my attacks even better on her.
i really dont know what else could be wrong with ur fighter.
i have him with powerstrike at about 50
plus i have my guys equip amulets of dex, speed,strenth.

ohh and about the casting at all times for no reason,
i dont like that, kinda not too fun.
i cast spells as much as possible during combat and out of combat if applicable
i always have my buffs on even if im shoping or doing some misc. tasks in a town.

Bad Mr. Frosty
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> But Nessie was so easy, i killed her in about 4 rounds, no one died.
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In that case I hope you wont be disapointed with the final showdown. :(
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The final fight with the Dark Sevant was a real let down for me. He was just too easy for a final boss. No... I had not read any posts on this subject. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Maybe the experience that I had from playing the game made it easy. I just casted shielding spells from my priest and mage and then just attacked Dark with melee attacks and healing when necessary. I had Vi with me so she just attacked on her own as I had no control over her. I did summon an elemental which drew some of the Darks attacks away from my party.
After about 8 rounds he was a gonner. [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img]
Nessie on the other hand was a major battle for my party and it felt like a real accomplishment to kill her. :D
Guess a lot might depend on your parties makeup.
I now am playing Wizards and Warriors but have a fealing that it will soon be left alone. I really miss my characters talking to me like happens in Wiz 8. My characters in Wiz and Warriors just havent made me care about them. I just loved my blond haired southern belle in Wiz 8 calling me "darlin" [img]graemlins/kiss.gif[/img]

Knip

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<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Man, I don't know how in the heck you guys can possibly beat nessie that easily. What are you using to do 900+ damage in 4 rounds?<hr></blockquote>

Well it really depends what equipment you had at the time you fought her and how good your characters' combat skills were. When it came down to crunch time, here's how my fight went (we were level 13-14).

Fighter - Berserk with Sword of 4 Winds, 90+ damage
Samurai - speed of Lightning twice with Bushido, 15-30 damage
Lord - Berserk Bloodlust and Diamond Eyes, 35-50 damage
RFS-81 - Fists and Kicks, 3 rounds of attacks, 'nuff said.
Bard - stringing Dulcimer and beating Rousing Drums, while stabbing with Vorpal Blade
Ranger - Mystic Arrows doing 10-30 damage twice

Of course, casting a good level 6 Armormelt helps tremendously. Add that all up and you have one giant cooked lizard. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Okay, you guys obviously had FAR superior equipment to me at this point in the game. Bloodlust is the most powerful sword I have (and still have now at lvl 20). I have found nothing better than that and the demon thing. I also have only found a total of 40 Viper arrows so far, and I stop at every shop when I happen past it to check too.

How do you guys find all these cool weapons? My valk's (2) are using a mystic spear and a stun rod. RFS-81 or whatever is using that weird rod that you have to steal from the T'Rang (that is a prototype). My fighter has Bloodlust and a shield. My priest has some lame staff, my bard has a mediocre bow (I bought it from Croc, I think its like + 20% damage or something), and my alchy has a wrist rocket. These are the weapons I've been with since I first past Trynton and got to Marten's Bluff & the swamp (where I got the bow, wrist rocket, and Trang rods). I've gotten as far as Rapax rift, where I just gave the staff of ash to that guy, and I still haven't found anything better (didn't get CRAP outta davy jones locker..it was like some potions or something).

I am putting my fighter into berzerk mode with normal weapons, I don't know why he got screwed up. I posted that question a while ago on here but nobody could come up with any ideas. It even says "goes berzerk on..." so I know it's working, but he only gets one attack & one swing. So basically I am stuck with Bloodlust for the rest of the game because no other sword could possibly be better with that massive handicap.

Anyway,I'm not too worried about it. Like I said I haven't had too much trouble with anything thus far except nessie and the rynjinn, which were tough but I still handled them ok. The Rapax are pushovers so far. The priests and initiates seem to be much weaker spellcasters than the rynjinn were.

jfunk:

For polearms - Bela in Mt. Wilderness sells a nice spear.
Rod similar to the Prototype mindrod that Sadok(t'rang merchant) sells has better dmg but slightly less stat effects & no spell charges.

South East Wilderness has a sword called "Fang" thats a placed item so it will be there every game you play. Vorpal blade which is a decent sword is a random drop on Rapax patrol mobs in Mt. WIlderness.(its not really common drop but it isnt rare either).