That's why I said I keep it on hand. Especially useful if someone like Minsc or another non-spellcaster needs to be able to hit fast, hard, and instantly. It's a great item, don't get me wrong... but you can only use it once a day, so I prefer to hang onto it for emergencies, and boost AC or something like that with other rings. Keep it till you need it.

And if you abuse SixOfSpade's cheese of getting multiple Rings of Ram, you can have a firing squad of Rammers.

Player 1, ready, steady, FIRE! Player 2, ready, steady, FIRE! Player ~~... ... ;)

A firing squad of Rammers... I do believe I'll leave that one well enough alone.

You know, I may have come up with the way to get 3 and still keep Valygar in the party, but it's not like I've ever done it....or even want my name associated with it. ;)

Ah... but you were the one that thought of how to do it first, and that is all that matters. ;)

hmm all this writing to say bodie is harder and edwin can still be gotten when you side with her lmao thanks guys. though i've passed the game twice before thanks for all your help

You CAN indeed get the RoL when siding with Bodhi. Its not held by the thief though, Haz the mage holds(hes in the same place though). Someone said something about entering the basement before getting the key. Not possible. The door in the compound is locked beyond picking, and the other entrances are blocked by something, giving a message like "This entrance is blocked. Looks like your not welcome here"(probably no where close to what the real message says, but the general point is the same). The djinn ring can be quite nicely replaced by the Efreeti Bottle, IMO.

Whew. So even though my means was wrong, the end is the same. You gain more, lose none when siding with Bodhi. Item-wise at least.

You know, I may have come up with the way to get 3 and still keep Valygar in the party, but it's not like I've ever done it....or even want my name associated with it. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]i think i know how you figured it out...but it requires NOT installing the baldurdash patch, right???

ring one...pickpocket tolgarious...

get valygar in the party, open up planar sphere...

pickpocket valygar for his body...this can be done if baldurdash patch is not installed....

sell body, take rep loss...ring 2

kill tolgarious, ring 3...

oh, by the way...

hhehehehhehehheh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you pickpocket lavok with a thief using mass invisibility, mislead, etc...you can get 2 rings of acuity...

even with baldurdash patch installed, you can pick up a ring before initiating dialog, and a second ring after he dies...

;) SixOfSpades has Baldurdash installed.