I better clarify something before people start getting the wrong impression. My Moderator status does not mean you cannot disagree with me over game matters. When I debate, I debate as a gamer, not as a Moderator.

I only invoke my Moderator status( indicated by a Ironworks Hammer in my posts) when I deal with forum matters. I consider it in bad taste to abuse authority.</font>[/QUOTE]It was a joke. Lighten up.

Three things - the bard does indeed gain best from scribing scrolls. I set up a solo bard game just to see how much XP one can gain from ch1. Since you can scribe/delete (with ToB) I managed to get to level 16 [img]smile.gif[/img]

Any class can beat any other given the right circumstances. I thought we'd been round these houses before?

Cleric/Mage looks excellent judging from Aerie's performance. The extra combination of spells, plus the fact that the increased speed from Vecna applies to both lots of spells gives some awesome firepower (plus she can wear helmets/carry shields)!

Finally (I know this is 4). Sorcerors suck. (See *I* can argue with Dundee!) [img]smile.gif[/img]

As I was saying, "to clarify". ;)

<font color="lightblue">Sorc has less spell variety. Oh, boo hoo.
Sorc can`t scribe scrolls. So what ??

When a sorceror learns a new spell, he has no chance of failing to learn it, no matter what the difficulty level, no matter how smart he is.
A sorceror can quite literally be a braindead obese twit with no decision making skills, who has trouble carrying a pea, moves so slowly that he can`t move at all, and who everyone wants to kill on sight he`s so ugly, and still make it through the game on Insane Difficulty.
A mage in that situation I`d be surprised if they made it out of Chateau Irenicus with Jasper`s help.

On multi-class mages... *any* Multiclass has a high cheese potential, if you have TOB installed. Take for example the Fighter/Cleric... two shots, enemy chunked. Mightn`t work too well against a mage, though... takes two High-Level Abilities, and cast two spells. Anyone care to guess how ?? http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/lennon/sagrin.gif
(Guesses via PM/IM please). </font>

............well okay okay okay!! I give up man its like 500 to one like one level fighter against 50 Fire giants. *sigh* You know to be tottaly honest I never really did try out a mage (well I did once but it things didn't get to well) tried out a sorceror (things didn't go that smooth either I didn't have 18 int and picked the wrong spells sometimes) Well you know what would be a powerful combo! A mage sorceror multiclass!!! THink of it you get a huge bonus of spells and you can scribe scroll and whoaa the possiblities are almost endless. But you know I think I am going to try a mage\Thief never multiclassed and I like a thief soo.......

P.S. I admit Sorcerors are a whole lot stronger in high levels
P.S.2. But wizards are better than sorcerors at lower levels you know scribe a scroll kinda thing.
P.S.3. I am going to try out a mage/thief as soon as my friend gives me a copy of disc 3.
P.S.4. The PS PS 2 PS 3 IS not secret advertising! (Buy one get 3 FREE)

To clarify, Jasper is part of the Dungeon Be Gone mod.