Do you have the expansion? I do and I dont get the Ottoman foot units though I have the required buildings. I do get Turkomen infantry which are similiar. According to unit guide ( the unit comparison guide is the one I refer to here: http://shogun.cafe24.com/medieval/ ) Perhaps the expansion nerfed them and made them late units only?

Anyway....
Thanks for the insight and the war story! So many things make this game great! [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]I've just got the normal game, haven't found the expansion anywhere. [img]graemlins/awcrap.gif[/img] I haven't got my game patched yet either, maybe that's the reason?

I tried using Turcoman foot - they're great archers but horrible in melee as far as I found. Though I'm just discovering futuwwas - great for breaking up spearwalls, particularly against lightly armored enemies. :D

[ 09-13-2004, 03:43 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

I just patched my game and now the Ottoman Infantry aren't available!! :( It must've been the patch...

Well damn...

Hire some Celts...

Aw hell that's it and that sucks. Are you gonna un-patch to keep the unit?

Nah...it's probably been patched out of early for a good reason - because it can totally destroy Catholic tin cans. Probably unbalanced the game a bit - seriously Chewy, with the below army configuration I was unstoppable:

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• 3 x 100 Saracen Infantry (to act as spear wall)</font>
• 2 x 60 Futuwwas (for missiles and to break up oppo spear wall)</font>
• 4 x 40 Turcoman Horse (for missiles and to harass and splinter)</font>
• 2 x 60 Ottoman Infantry (for missiles and to destroy armoured infantry/heavy cavalry)</font>
• 2 x 60 Muwahid foot for flanking</font>

None of the Catholics or Byz could stand against me. With this config I conquered most of the Byzantine lands around the Black Sea. Now the Byzantine Empire is basically a small province in Petraslavyl (or whatever). :D

it wasn't a balancig issue, it was a bug - before patch period requirements didn't apply for some reason and you could build any unit, even late period units like Ottoman Infantry, in any period, as long as you had the required buildings.

That's a bummer - I loved my Ottomans, they were the best thing to use against armour. Not much point in using them if you've already got Janissary Infantry as Janissary Infantry have higher attack values - though Ottomans do have an AP attack...

Another question - playing as the Turks, what good are Imams? They can't try anyone for heresy, so they're basically just jumped up alims, right?

Yep, they convert faster, but that seems about it. I dunno if they effect zeal though for Jihads like Inquisitors do for Crusades. I Hadn't thought about it.