she was like 17 and ani was 10
so now they are 27 and 20
i do agree what padwe looked a bit young but did it really bother you?

Personally i thought they made ani's future a little bit to obvious even for people who didn't see episodes 4 till 6

I have to agree on you with the fact that the whole star wars stuff is a bit unrealistic
most obvious thing you see in the movies which is impossible are the explosions in outer space
But personally I don''t care about the unrealistic stuff since after all they are pretty good movies (at least the last 2 were)
But that was not why i replied.

On the Lightsabe issue
Lightsabers are indeed Close quarter weapons but that has its reasons
First of all Jedi's job is a policemen
Not a soldier. he needs not to shoot but he needs to protect
thus he won;t have to attack on range and if he does, he can use the force
Second the light in the saber lightsaber is not capable of being thrown or shot without loosing it sorce and that makes it simply to expensive
Another thing is that a lightsable can return lazer beams so if someone does shoot at the jedi he can reflect the beam back to the shooter
So the lightsable dispite being close quarters is the best bloody weapon around

KT, Azure is actually right here, Lucas HAS said this himself.

What's wrong with names like John and Mary in the SW universe? The fact that it's a galaxy, far, far away. A galaxy which doesn't really have much in common with our own, just because some of them are humans doesn't mean that they'll have the same boring and unimaginative names as us.

Well, for one thing dwarves and hobbits are quite a lot smaller than the average human, that makes them look somewhat less human. Elves have the pointed ears and no hair beyond that on their heads to make them less human. Klingons have funny stuff on their foreheads. And perhaps Superman DOES have some physical difference, maybe people have just yet to notice it.

Then stay out of threads such as these and don't watch the SW movies, what little exposure you have to SW should be somewhat reduced by that, it's not possible to avoid exposure to something completely, I'd like to avoid ever being exposed to Harry Potter or idiocy ever in my life and I reduce my exposure to them by avoiding the places where they usually are.

back to more important issues:

Episode 2 ROCKED!!!

I meant to stay away, but I was just too curious as to what replies my posts might receive.

Dunno. Luke and Han seem to be in the same category as 'John' and 'Mary' to me. And all those dudes in SW look like normal humans to me, too (even though they're not supposed to be). And if you want to allow for that much resemblance, you might as well go all the way and give them names like 'John' or 'Mary'. Either that or make them totally different from us humans in every respect -- maybe blue or scaly skin, or three eyes or four arms, or whatever. Hey, they're supposed to be from another galaxy and another time, right?

Dunno. They all have pink skin, not blue or scaly skin. They all have two arms, two legs, a head and a torso. And they all have two eyes, two ears, a nose and a mouth, all in the same places as a human's. All the proportions seem right, too. To that extent, they look human to me. (Shrugs shoulders.) :rolleyes:

I'll just close this post with an example of real Star Wars madness. I tell you, it's an increasingly interesting world we live in. Given all this, it honestly isn't going to surprise me if someday people should get around asking that the SW theme music be used as the American national anthem.

[ 05-19-2002, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

For those who take issue with the irrationality and illogicity of the galaxy far, far away, it's fantasy. It's escapism. It's not meant to make sense. ;)

About the movie, I won't spoil any scenes, save to say:

1. The special effects were AWESOME. Make sure you see it on a digital screen though...Lucas shot it with a digital camera so it's designed for that medium.

2. The plot was quite thin IMO and seemed to meander all over the place.

I'd give it 7 out of 10.

Dunno. Luke and Han seem to be in the same category as 'John' and 'Mary' to me. And all those dudes in SW look like normal humans to me, too (even though they're not supposed to be). And if you want to allow for that much resemblance, you might as well go all the way and give them names like 'John' or 'Mary'. Either that or make them totally different from us humans in every respect -- maybe blue or scaly skin, or three eyes or four arms, or whatever. Hey, they're supposed to be from another galaxy and another time, right?

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Well, for one thing dwarves and hobbits are quite a lot smaller than the average human, that makes them look somewhat less human. Elves have the pointed ears and no hair beyond that on their heads to make them less human. Klingons have funny stuff on their foreheads. And perhaps Superman DOES have some physical difference, maybe people have just yet to notice it.

Dunno. They all have pink skin, not blue or scaly skin. They all have two arms, two legs, a head and a torso. And they all have two eyes, two ears, a nose and a mouth, all in the same places as a human's. All the proportions seem right, too. To that extent, they look human to me. (Shrugs shoulders.) :rolleyes:

I'll just close this post with an example of real Star Wars madness. I tell you, it's an increasingly interesting world we live in. Given all this, it honestly isn't going to surprise me if someday people should get around asking that the SW theme music be used as the American national anthem.</font>[/QUOTE]*yawn* - whatever

it's a FILM!!! get used to the idea

A fantasy (as SW belongs to) is about creating a secondary world (an illusion)

If this world is can be believed - the creator has succeeded

To use the name example: If you have characters named Joe and Bob and the capital city is called London, despite it's suppose to be a galaxy far far away - then the illusion shatters and people won't believe the fantasy (it fails)

P.S. I have yet to see the movie - but I will [img]smile.gif[/img]

Just came back home from the cinema, and that's exactly my thought. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Dunno. Luke and Han seem to be in the same category as 'John' and 'Mary' to me. And all those dudes in SW look like normal humans to me, too (even though they're not supposed to be). And if you want to allow for that much resemblance, you might as well go all the way and give them names like 'John' or 'Mary'. Either that or make them totally different from us humans in every respect -- maybe blue or scaly skin, or three eyes or four arms, or whatever. Hey, they're supposed to be from another galaxy and another time, right?</font>[/QUOTE]K T Ong
ever notest the fact that people in here and DnD take on weird names?
i wonder how you can't take someone seriously if he is named Qui-Gon or Obi Wan if you can take people serious who are named Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo and the likes of that
Now on another note my father is named Guo Qiang does that mean I should stop listening to him? (which btw i have ;) )
and for the record my name is Chao Kang....

and if you DO wanna complain about a Star Wars
complain about the fact they have explosions in a total vacuum
complain about the fact that every planet has only one climat
complain about the fact that every planet is habitable
Simple Fact that are proven to be impossible

BUT do NOT whine about small stuff like names or weapons...

[ 05-19-2002, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: Rikard_OHF ]

No, I don't take names like Elminster etc seriously, either. But at least most AD&D-type medieval fantasies (and Chinese wu-hsia fantasies, too, which I love very much) are -- well, supposedly -- modelled after things, places and events which historically actually existed. (This is especially true of wu-hsia fantasies.) To that extent, they feel more credible. They work more for me. And they actually also possess that much more charm for me as well by virtue of being something that might have existed.

The same can't be said of SW.

Oh, and I'm aware of those absurdities you mentioned, too, Rikard. I merely haven't the time to indulge my abhorrance of SW that far. :rolleyes:

[ 05-19-2002, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

Are you kidding? The Empire Strikes Back was quite a bit better than the original (although I will agree with you that the original was a masterpiece).

<font color = lightgreen>Forget names, settings, technological advances; forget it all. First and foremost, Star Wars is about the ability of the human spirit to triumph over technology and about the struggle between good and evil. These are motifs that have remained popular for centuries through novels, operas, plays, and other movies because those motifs are central to our own development.
Episodes 4, 5, and 6 are not about a successful rebellion against a Galatic Empire, they are about a son's love redeeming his father. Period. Anyone who misses this has not really watched the movies or is too young to fully understand them.

Sergio Leone adapted samurai characters into Western gunslingers; why can't Lucas turn them into Jedi?

A lightsaber, as stated elsewhere, is primarily for defense; they can cut through any armor, deflect any energy, and are indestructible. They are physical representations of how a person's feelings can overcome technology.

Finally, if you enjoy critiquing movies (like I do) then analyze the movie. However, don't make the mistake of over-rationalizing the movies, for that is not the point of any film.</font>

Absolutely loved Episode 2! Did anyone catch a good glimpse of Dooku's Lightsaber with the curved handle? I dont know but that was pretty cool..
Personally I thought the movie started out OK but got really good once it got along. I think I'm the only one who actually really appreciates the story behind Episode 2. I can actually understand what people watching Empire Strikes Back must have felt way back then, when the future of our brave heroes hang in the balance, and you had to wait 3-4 years for the next installment.
Did anyone actually feel pretty sad about the ending? How you KNOW that Anakin's life is gonna be destroyed? I think George Lucas did a good job with making the viewers feel for the characters. I couldnt help but feel pretty down knowing that 90% of the characters in Episode 2 will die in Episode 3 (Padme, Windu, Anakin, of a sorts..)
Other than that I thought everything was excellent. Even Anakin's odd accent seemed right.

K T Ong, just take a chill pill and accept it that most people like Star Wars. Its entertainment. Personally I cant stand people that take a contrary standpoint to pop culture just to stand out or be different. If its good, enjoy it! No need to spoil the fun for everyone else! Just a thought.

Yep, it felt rather awful knowing that it's all going to turn horribly wrong for Anakin and Amidala. That's why I thought the musical accompaniment towards the end of the show particularly apt.

lifetime, i agree with you. i think the script and story were very good. i can certainly feel when things are corny of overacted (like in episode I), but i really liked the love story and acting by christiansen and portman.

the effects were ok, but for me the best part was the love story, and the search and travelling of the first part. the ending was absolutely f****** awesome. bittersweet, leaving you a little sad for the outcome. inevitability is this films heart, rather than the first trilogy, that was somewhat unpredictable.

it evens makes sense of episode I. that was the set up, with the happy ending. and episode III is going to be in lucas own words... "dark, very dark". i cant wait. [img]smile.gif[/img]

The love story? LOL!!! I thought that part proved George Lucas COULDN'T write love stories to save his life :D :D

Anakin: "I slaughtered everybody. The men, the women and children like they were animals"
Amidala: "oh never mind sweety. *hug*"

they're MAD!!!

One Simple Question
Have you ever Seen Episode 1?

I thought it was good overall, but the love story bit was just a little too soppy and long for me. I thought Lucas could have shortened the romance scenes.

I also thought Padme was insane for declaring her love for Anakin after Anakin had declared he had killed an entire encampment of Tuskan Raiders.

Not as good as Eps 4-6, but much, much better than Ep 1. Thumbs up.

I saw it last Friday... it was great!!!

Yoda was the man... .wow... and that Purple Lightsaber... Windu's the bomb too!!!

Hehehe and rolling down the hill.. rolling down the hill.. grass is green.. weeeee!!! :D :D :D

No. And I don't intend ever to watch any SW film, either.

If I don't have to run into SW stuff every moment I'm not asleep, then certainly I'll just shut the heck up. I don't think I'm interested in just 'being different'. Many people loved the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles -- so did I.

Just today morning when checking my email, an email came from beliefnet.com about the 'Religion of the Jedi'. Not again. Yeah, I like SW. I sure do.

Can't wait for Spaceballs II.

Actually Padme was 14 in the original, and Anakin was 10 (or 9). If anyone wants to get narky about her age maybe you should ask why she looked so old in the first one - she was 19 was she filmed this one, and I wouldn't imagine she's going to look any different when she's actually 24 in real life (as she was supposed to be in the movie) ;) .

I thought it was fantastic. I disagree with you Memnoch that the plot was thin. I thought the intrigue and the double-crossing was incredibly good. It had a basic plot of the assassination (I'm sure that's not a spoiler ;) ) but what unravelled was extremely gripping imho [img]smile.gif[/img] .

And Ewan was very cool ;)

No. And I don't intend ever to watch any SW film, either.</font>[/QUOTE]"ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!"

"eh? what? *wakes up a bit*"

"oh, just another whiner"

*goes back to sleep*

:D :D

No. And I don't intend ever to watch any SW film, either.</font>[/QUOTE]In that case I think ti's kinda lame of you to critisize it.
How can you judge something you do not know?

No. And I don't intend ever to watch any SW film, either.</font>[/QUOTE]In that case I think ti's kinda lame of you to critisize it.
How can you judge something you do not know?</font>[/QUOTE]who cares? just ignore him

"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!"

:D

<font color=skyblue>Great point!

Be careful though, Rikard... K T Ong may just be <font color=indianred>flame-baiting</font> you, so that he can laugh when you or someone else blow up and tell him off, thus getting into trouble with the Gen Con mods. It is not worth it. </font>

People, people, SW is only a film. Enjoy it or dislike it as you will. Feel free to express your heartfelt opinions. Just don't get upset or bent out of shape over it. Be civil to each other or I will be forced to switch into Mod-mode - and the force I can wield makes Yoda look like a small wizened green beastie..... [img]graemlins/starwars.gif[/img]

SW is so heavily publicised everywhere (whenever a new SW film comes out, that is) that you don't have to watch the films to know what they're about, believe me. A line here from the radio, a line there from the front page of a magazine, and by-and-by you'll become an expert in the ways of the Jedi. And as I've said, I've watched 5- to 10-minute chunks of the films -- precisely just to get a better idea what this SW craze is all about.

And no, I don't flame-bait people. I'm not that kind. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I'm just giving a plain piece of my mind, that's all. Hey, at least I like Spaceballs.

Oh, and I don't mind being ignored. If no one wants to talk to me anymore, then I'll just go somewhere else. ( :rolleyes: + shrugs shoulders) As I've said, I'm just giving a piece of my mind regarding something. Take it or leave it.

[ 05-23-2002, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

i know this has been said before, but oh well [img]smile.gif[/img]

fiction, especially science fiction, is about temporary suspension of disbelief of the things outside of our norms...like names, one of your examples...they can have funny names because...theyre not from around here [img]tongue.gif[/img]

No. And I don't intend ever to watch any SW film, either.</font>[/QUOTE]In that case I think ti's kinda lame of you to critisize it.
How can you judge something you do not know?</font>[/QUOTE]This is actually a good point that Rikard made, and it goes both ways. If KT Ong's never seen Star Wars, his insights on the film may be compared to someone who says that Ferraris are crap compared to Maseratis when the extent of his practical knowledge of them has been sitting in stationary ones at car shows, as well as having a DVD of "Gone in 60 Seconds". Why is everyone getting so stressed about his opinion, which he is entitled to express? ;)

He's entitled to post his own opinion based on his own (limited) knowledge of the saga - it's up to everyone else as to whether or not they take that opinion seriously, based on the above stated credentials.

Unless of course he's purely arguing for the sake of arguing - but I'm sure he knows better than to do that. ;)

Yeah. And don't forget, he's lost a few bucks over what he perceives as a not-up-to-standard movie. I'm not sure if I wouldn't be ranting away if I felt that way, too [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well, I guess I wouldn't be too far off if I said that he will NOT be the first IW member to catch the next episode when it comes [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

[ 05-24-2002, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: mistral4543 ]

Use the moo, Luke

Erm, anyway here's my opinion on the movie which I saw last week.

While not exactly a masterpiece, AotC was worth my $7+ and was infinately better than The Phantom Menace by comparison, unfortunately dialogue ain't Lucas' strong suit. The cornball love dialogue between Anakin and Padme is so bad it could have been taken from one of the BG2 romances, or or a cheap romance novel. The chemistry between Christenson and Portman isn't that terrific either, the romance generates no heat whatsoever. Characterisation is distressingly thin, Christenson played your average sulky American teen chafing against the authority of his father-figure Obi Wan. By comparison Portman was believable as Padme, but its hard to believe an intelligent Senator like her sees anything in Skywalker (I'm not jealous, no really).
But the good stuff far outweighs the bad, the last 45 minutes is definately the best part of the movie. Lucas finally got the hint that lightsaber fights should be uninterrupted and should last more than a minute. The whole battle on Geonosis was great. Not to mention the Yoda vs Dooku/Tyranus fight. I'll never view Yoda in the same way again. Also, the Jango fett vs Obi Wan fight and the political machinations of Palpatine are good as well. Political intrigue plus Jedi Action is a no-fail combination.

Oh, and Jar Jar got less than 5 minutes screen time phew! Sometimes its these little things that count.