<font color=Orange>Maybe we should look out for a Welcomed New User named Triamat!</font>

<font color="pink">I understand why Tiamat was banned. I was therer when he posted that thing about Sephy and Lioness, and when he spammed in the thread Ziroc made about there being too much spam. You did the right thing Z, thanks for looking out for us!</font>

I also feel compelled to add something else regarding Ziroc. I realize that some people get annoyed when some of us ole timers comment about being 'blue boarders', but this is an instance where being a blue boarder comes in handy. We have over 7800 members now, some of us can remember when there were barely 200. This is important in that some of us have really had the 'time' and the chance to understand and know how Ziroc manages and performs as a webmaster and moderator. We may not know him personally, but we know him as a webmaster and we have a history with him, knowing that he is the fairest, most patient and understanding moderator of any board we are/ have been members of. But we also respect Z because being a truly good webmaster, he has limits for the protection of us all, and as patient and understanding as he is, when inviolable lines are crossed, if a person does not change accordingly after numerous warnings and chances, Z will act decisively. This hasn't happened many times, but those of us with a history with Z are glad that he has taken the stands when he needed to do so. As I stated, we don't know everything that has led up to Z's decision, but I know him well enough to know that if he feels this is the best decision, I trust him. .
Sermon over. .
Where's Cloudysweethuggems. . Gimmee one Stormsparkle. .

[ 05-15-2002, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: The.Relic ]

I stand duly chastened...I do have issues with authority and people telling me what to do, but I also recognize that it is your board, after all...

Relic, this was very nicely stated. I agree...... *hug* and [img]graemlins/kissy2.gif[/img]

I have to agree with micheal on this one, I have never really spoken with Tiamat and dont know what everyone seems to have against the guy or even why he got banned, but that e-mail look more like an appology than a threat, from what people have said about him he seems like the sort of person who would be embarrassed coming out with a straight appology, and it looks like he was just trying to express him self the best way he could a little humour/immaturity, as cloaked as it is i really think this was his attempt at an appology.

But then again at the end of the day its not me who has to run this forum and keep it safe from would be do-badders so its Zirocs call, I just that i would express my opinion on the matter.

Oh garsh Cloudysweetums! [img]graemlins/blush.gif[/img] and back at ya!

Actually I should have read the whole topic before my previous thread, now I have read all the posts am inclined to agree that he sounds a bit of an idiot and agree with him being banned, I don't know the history but it sounds as if he has had chance after chance and refused to amend his ways. My opinion on the e-mail stays the same though, it sounded sincere enough to me.

[ 05-15-2002, 09:38 PM: Message edited by: Daniel ]

Well, as a new guy here, I can't say much... My feeling though, is that this is Ziroc's house and he can ask anyone to leave anytime he wants.
I am also impressed with the loyalty and honest affection people here show to one another. I wish I could have been here from the early days. Hopefully I'll get to make friendships with some of you guys (and girls).

I'm glad you think so Arnabas, I'm a loyal erratic drunk. Nice to meet you! Oh and Tiamat was a twit, bye bye to him. I have cut off his beer ration

to lord of alchohol, who's phil???

Just stick around Arnabas, this is an excellent place to meet people and become true friends [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hey Pauly! Ya realize you and the others have started a tradition ;)
for Daniel: Phil was a fun guy, do a search for him in GD and you'll turn up a few threads that'll give you a laugh.

BTW LoA, I didn't realize we had a beer ration? Are mine back logged or is it a per week thing [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img] :D

Well, I do plan tp stick around! [img]smile.gif[/img]
Hope to keep chatting with all of you. I'd be interested to know if anyone here lives in my general vicinity. I've only noticed a few other Canadians so far.

It does sound a bit drama-queenish, but that's Tiamat for you. Pre-adoloescent angst and all that. ;)

I wouldn't worry too much, Z...Tiamat wouldn't have the first idea on how to unleash a virus, a denial-of-service attack or any of that other jazz. I don't think he meant it in that way - probably just a bit of self-pity. In any case doing something like that would carry some serious penalties - ISPs HATE that kind of stuff. We've got his details - I doubt Tiamat would be that stupid.

To those of you who feel that he is a bit hard done by, you don't know his history. He has received NUMEROUS warnings over the last ten months and we have bent over backwards to accommodate him and work with him on his behaviour. Well, he ran out of chances.

There is a BIG difference between friendly spamming, excessive spamming, and antisocial behaviour. We've been here long enough to know the difference between the three.

[ 05-15-2002, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

<font color="pink">You dont know how wrong u are on that Michael. There are people who fall in love on the internet. It is so much more then just words on a screen. I've become good freinds with many of the members here, and it would hurt if i couldnt talk to them anymore. Thanks for the IP Mr. Sensetivity!</font>

That honesty and affection (even if we disagree, and we do sometimes!) is the major reason why I'm still here after a year. I cherish the friends I made then and love meeting new people here now.

I know that we blueboarders sometimes sound like a little IW fan club and we always back Z up, but we have come to know that this is ge best site on the web and Z knows best about being the IW webmaster.
We do disagree with each other and even Z sometimes but we stick together on the big things because that's what friends do. IW is as close to an internet 'family' as any community I've seen. I wouldn't swap it for any other.

hey Relic: [img]graemlins/kiss.gif[/img] teehee

You've done 8000 posts in a year. Wow. Gonna take me longer than that.
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<font color="silver">*Ahem* This is kinda

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But hey... I must say it.

Guys, try not to go agianst people of the age of 12-16. I know none of you will believe this, as I read Terry Brooks, Frank Herbert's Dune series, W.O.T. three times, LoTR about five, The Forgotton Realms, and Dragon Lance book series, plus I talk to you guys on a equal intellectual standered, and hold myself with etiquette and dignity, but I am forteen years old. Yes forteen. In fact I will turn fifteen on July 4, 2002. So when you say things like, "those stupid little kids are all immature." Think for a minute. I'm one of them and I don't act like Tiamat. I act logicaly and intelligently.

But my point is.... when you are talking about people like Tiamat, call him immature, and not a little kid, or 13 years old, because there are others on this forum who hold themselvs far more correct in the views of etiquette that are of that age. Thanx.</font>

Yes, Sir M, we have many mature and well socialized young people here on IW and I'm happy to know you all. [img]smile.gif[/img] Sometimes we get a bad egg (and they are NOT all kids, either!) but for the most part that doesn't last long.

Well, I have to agree with Sir Michael about Tiamat... he wouldn't do that stuff anyways... he was just really well... disappointed? As for Z man, I trust him, besides what do we have to lose around here? It's indeed better safe than sorry.

Tiamat then, didn't really have a second chance... he changed names and all that... but then people here never really had a clean-slate over him.. and well he practically didn't change his ways either... but I know I have been here long enough to say that this guy lasted mroe than those peeps who were maybe as spammy and as harsh taht got banned before... he got a LOT of chances from Ziroc... so too much isn't even existent here... he already had too many chances.. and too many failures.

Tiamat used to be really cool, What the hell happened to the tiamat we knew?? :(

<font color="silver">Im not sure quite who said it, but it was stated that Tiamat was only banned because of a few people who spoke out against him.
I would disagree with that, and judging by the email this is the thread that got him banned. What he did in that thread is against the TOS; as were many of the other things he did.

I believe that he brough upon himself exactly what he got.

But whatever happens here, it is Ziroc's forum, and he has the ultimate say; whether or not we think it is the right decision to make. </font>

That is what made me worry. It's like a Mob Boss telling you 'You wouldn't want something to HAPPEN to your family, now would you?"..

It's a threat--buried into the message, and I don't take threats lightly..

Thanks everyone, I am going to close this thread now.

I have arrived here late (the disadvantage of living in a Europeon time zone ;) )

At the outset, let me say that I am sad to see Tiamat banned, just as I am disappointed when anyonewho has been here for a while is banned. I have defended the guy against some of the more personal attacks he has attracted in the past and have even found some of his posts amusing [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img]

However this time he has crossed the line. For the good of the IW community as a whole, he had to go. I hope this is the last banning we will see for a long time. By all means, let off a bit of steam in this thread, but after the dust settles, let's get back to ensuring this corner of cyberspace is the sort of place that we all want to come back to again and again.

BTW, I planned to just suspend his account for 30 days, but I don't know now...

I MAY think about letting him back, but I read the email (Like others said) like the "I would never hack your system.. hehehe, nope, not me..." type email.

But, Tiamat, when you read this, email me.