<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Sazerac:
Ok, before the speculation starts flying (which it already appears to be doing), let me make a few things clear about what I meant:

A) I was in no way referring to the serious discussion threads, which I am pleased are being conducted as well as they are...keep up the great work there. [img]smile.gif[/img]

B) I'm not calling for *forced nicety*...that makes me want to choke and puke as well. I *am* calling for a general atmosphere of respect, though, which a few of our members seem to be lacking in. Not many, thank goodness, but a few.

What IS irritating me, and why I made this post to begin with, is that there are a few members who have decided to take on a pseudo-moderator stance and lecture others about petty *infractions*, some of which is ridiculous. It is high-handed, officious, and downright rude. Like "Excuse me, but who died and made you Mod?" ;)

Now, I know that the IW of 2002 is not the IW of 2001. Maybe that's for the best. It would be terrible if everything stagnated. Forums need to be dynamic and move with the times...but that does not call for a general tossing down of mutual respect for others.

And, on the other side of the coin, as Nachtrafe so well pointed out, yes, people are WAAAY too whiny and oversensitive, especially lately. One of my favorite mottos is, <font color="#ffffff">"Don't run with the big dogs if you're going to piddle like a puppy."</font> That is to say, if you find yourself in a thread that's offending you,

A) take your mouse,
B) point to your "Back" button
C) and CLICK it!

because THAT'S what it's there for!

You certainly don't have to be in nodding agreement with everyone here. But you do have to show them the same level of respect that you expect them to show you as a public forum participant. And if that means shutting your piehole instead of saying something whiny, undercutting, or demeaning, then by all means, keep your peace. Believe me, we have "something for everyone" here, and not all threads are for everyone. Be constructive, not destructive.

Ok, hope this clears things up.

-Saz<hr></blockquote>

Very good Saz, and people, PEACE! Relax.... [img]graemlins/bonghit.gif[/img] etc..

And as for the pseudo-mod stance people were taking, perhaps they take it because they feel the mods are not doing their job? Is this true? No offence to the current mods, just idle speculation about the motivation of wannabe-mods.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Grojlach:


I just know there's going to be a Johnny Cochran cameo over here very soon...<hr></blockquote>


If the glove fits... ;) [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]

HI DANIEL!!!!!!!!! WELCOME TO IRONWORKS! Don't worry, it is a great place to be, you've seen that already! :D

Cloudy

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scholarcs:

And as for the pseudo-mod stance people were taking, perhaps they take it because they feel the mods are not doing their job? Is this true? No offence to the current mods, just idle speculation about the motivation of wannabe-mods.<hr></blockquote>
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Everybody on here knows that the Moderators of Gen. Con. do their "jobs" with great skill and are fast on action. Heck, I was policing the RPG forum so tightly and strictly that I was told to loosen up and let a few things slip! Can you believe that? Anyway...I have a theory or two about the mini-mod factor.

1. It institutes a reason to post.
2. It gives the appearance of being supportive to the Administration.
3. Spam in disguise.
4. Wants to have authority.
5. Likes telling people where to go and what to do.
6. The "pack of dogs" factor. (Ever see one little dog, who is afraid of everything...but when that dog joins the neighborhood dogs and they team up in a pack, even domestic, cowardly dogs get extremely aggresive.)
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<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scholarcs:


Very good Saz, and people, PEACE! Relax.... [img]graemlins/bonghit.gif[/img] etc..

And as for the pseudo-mod stance people were taking, perhaps they take it because they feel the mods are not doing their job? Is this true? No offence to the current mods, just idle speculation about the motivation of wannabe-mods.<hr></blockquote>

NO, these tend to be young folk who seem to feel they need to 'lord it over' their peers.. which I believe is all well and good, but as Ziroc pointed out at one time, they are not sanctioned to do so by him and he is the webmaster. So no 'moderator' title, no acting as if you are one. Simple, really. [img]smile.gif[/img]

FWIW, I have not hear that complaint here at IW. Z chose well and on GD, Sazerac, Memnoch and Ertai do their jobs beyond adequately, thank you very much. They cover alot of threads and do it well!

Cloudy

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Cloudbringer:


NO, these tend to be young folk who seem to feel they need to 'lord it over' their peers.. which I believe is all well and good, but as Ziroc pointed out at one time, they are not sanctioned to do so by him and he is the webmaster. So no 'moderator' title, no acting as if you are one. Simple, really. [img]smile.gif[/img]

FWIW, I have not heard that complaint here at IW. Z chose well and on GD, Sazerac, Memnoch and Ertai do their jobs beyond adequately, thank you very much. They cover alot of threads and do it well!

Cloudy<hr></blockquote>

edit.. Larry, good post and probably right on the money! [img]smile.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Moni:
Hey Saz,
How is (are) (was) your game(s) of Wizardry 8 going?
Did you beat it? Get bored of it?
I never see you post much in your forum!<hr></blockquote>


Hi, Moni! [img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img]

Yes, I finished Wiz 8 over the holidays while the forum was down. I check there pretty often, but it seems everything is running well. I've started a new game (finally!) so I'll probably be a bit more vocal there forthcoming.

Cheers,

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Sazerac:



And, on the other side of the coin, as Nachtrafe so well pointed out, yes, people are WAAAY too whiny and oversensitive, especially lately. One of my favorite mottos is, <font color="#ffffff">"Don't run with the big dogs if you're going to piddle like a puppy."</font> That is to say, if you find yourself in a thread that's offending you,

-Saz<hr></blockquote>

This is EXACTLY what made people like Jerome and me wanna leave the forum

This was so different before last summer.....

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ladyzekke:


Hiya, nice to meet you Daniel. Glad you like the place. [img]smile.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

Oh and You
Don't get me started on you
Why the hell do post so little these days :( ;)

*all together now*
"HI LADYZ PLEASE POST"
;)

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: Konfuzed and Zany ]</p>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Neb:



But it IS true though, this place used to be a lot more fun and a lot more active.<hr></blockquote>And whose fault is it that the board isn't as active as it used to be? Instead of complaining about it, shouldn't we try to make it just as active as it was? Sitting back and complaining doesn't get anything done you know. Trust me I know. ;) I'm going to stop here before I give myself a headache, and I meant no offense. Okay Neb?

Hiya,

Hmm, someone mentioned that new members tend to act up a bit, but to be honest, I've seen this more with people who have been around for a while. This is both on and off the forum though, the way I've seen some people act is pretty strange, though I know we all have our moments at times.

Scronan

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scronan:
Hiya,

Hmm, someone mentioned that new members tend to act up a bit, but to be honest, I've seen this more with people who have been around for a while. This is both on and off the forum though, the way I've seen some people act is pretty strange, though I know we all have our moments at times.

Scronan<hr></blockquote>

IW definately has a very unique atmosphere, to my mind. I personally think that there are some of the older members of the board who take offence to some of the newer ones presence occasionally. What I mostly mean is that people who have been here a while get to know what they can say and what they can't. I have lost count of the amount of times where I have had second thoughts about posting my opinion, and I know others (from all over the spectrum) have done so to. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it explains your idea Scronan. The people who have been here for ages tend to dictate what is acceptable. I have no major problem with that as it keeps the board calm, but it is interesting to note. And I will also say that this is not attacking any people, I do not consider this a bad thing. Just worthy of note, that is all.

I have only one thing to say:

I think it's time for a
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:::Shuffles over and tries for a one on one hug with Mel::: :D

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Melusine:
I have only one thing to say:

I think it's time for a
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LS gets confused and 'accidentally' cuddles instead of hugs

wuv all of you :-*

:D :D

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ʆë®Ñï†Ý:
*peeks in* Peekabo ppl!

Heyas Daniel (pssst. don't tell anyone else but only wonderful special ppl tend to get named Daniel, I should know *noddz* all the Daniels I know are great! and I bet you are too ~beaming~)

Sir Scronan>> ~waves madly~ hiya! Sorry I didn't reply to ur e-mail but I didn't feel there was anything I could say *sad look* saweeee... did you mind?

*looking around* I see Vas is still up to his old tricks *gglz* ~ruffles Vas's hair~ I'm sure no one is pointing any fingers at u hun *huggles* besides.. you gotta concentrate on your work! *pretends I can talk and have been doing work* ~nose in air~ like me! *posh drawl* now I am a perfect specimin of a hard working student who totally understands what the aim of my LED coursework is *winkz* watch and learn! ~sashays around posing and trying to look clever~ *gglz* ~drops the act~ btw see what I mean about your actions speaking louder than your words? I saw you helping someone with their maths I did ~noddz~ *blows u a kiss* extremely nice of u!

Ack! *suddenly remembers my exercises on complex numbers and diagonalization and Power series I have yet to do which are in for tomorrow* oh no! ~groanz~ all those (i)s make me dizzy! Why do I have to prove that sinh(A+B)=sinhAcoshB-sinhBcoshA from sin(A+B=sinAcosB+sinBcosA?!!! I mean isn't it obvious?! ~poutz~ toodles ppl nose back on grindstone time....
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Why...does...my...head...hurt?
:D

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by slackerboy:

Why...does...my...head...hurt?
:D <hr></blockquote>

I know - frightening isn't it? she's right though - that equation is obvious - odd that an exam would test it

;)

IW definately has a very unique atmosphere, to my mind. I personally think that there are some of the older members of the board who take offence to some of the newer ones presence occasionally. What I mostly mean is that people who have been here a while get to know what they can say and what they can't. I have lost count of the amount of times where I have had second thoughts about posting my opinion, and I know others (from all over the spectrum) have done so to. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it explains your idea Scronan. The people who have been here for ages tend to dictate what is acceptable. I have no major problem with that as it keeps the board calm, but it is interesting to note. And I will also say that this is not attacking any people, I do not consider this a bad thing. Just worthy of note, that is all.

Hi Barry,

Well, I understand what you have said and that makes sense as to what I've mostly seen here, but I have seen some senior members act up and it totally surprised me that what they did was tolerated.

Being very honest here, I can play the devil's advocate and say that yes a new person may act up if they don't know the rules, but conversely they may be on the extra polite side since they are trying to fit in.

And the other side of the coin is, a more senior member may tend to act out of character and this may be tolerated since they are well known and respected on the board.

So I think the moral is, new folks and old folks alike, we all need to remind ourselves to keep things in check now and then. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Best

Scronan

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ʆë®Ñï†Ý:
Slackerboi, are you referring to me or the maths? *winkz* if it helps at all, whenever I put ** or ~~ around words, that usually indicates an action I'm taking/making. I'll try and tone it down if you find it impossible to understand *grynz*... on the other hand.. if it's the maths you mean.. ~shruggz~ can't help u there..I'm just coming to grips with all this odd stuff myself ~makes a face a bemoans the fact I'm a useless lil' gurlie who just isn't cut out for all this thinking~ *gglz* ~winkz~

Lord Shield... I dunno... it's just a rule I got taught by my teachers *grimace* we never proved it or anything till now and I never questioned it. Guess I'm a bit of a sheep and just blindly follow.

Scronan *S* talk to me? hello? ~waves~
<hr></blockquote>


Actually he may have been refering to the way you have utterly destroyed the english language, just a guess though

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: Lord of Alcohol ]</p>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lord of Alcohol:



Actually he may have been refering to the way you have utterly destroyed the english language, just a guess though

<hr></blockquote>

Ahh, LoA, you're not finding it hard to follow are you? I thought you were a quick-thinking guy.... ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Vaskez:


Ahh, LoA, you're not finding it hard to follow are you? I thought you were a quick-thinking guy.... ;) <hr></blockquote>

Actually its been denigrated to the"too much of a pain in the ass" to actually read status

LoA, until you mentioned it I hadn't really noticed that I was doing it myself on those posts (ie reading the first line, saying wheelbarrow, and skipping to the end). Maybe there's a course we can take to improve focus, or maybe we should just drink more lager - what do you reckon Donut :D .

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Davros:
LoA, until you mentioned it I hadn't really noticed that I was doing it myself on those posts (ie reading the first line, saying wheelbarrow, and skipping to the end). Maybe there's a course we can take to improve focus, or maybe we should just drink more lager - what do you reckon Donut :D .<hr></blockquote>

I have to disagree with you here Davros and LoA. Trust you to be rude on a 'Too much rudeness thread'.

ʆë®Ñï†Ý is posting in a style that many kids use today. It is far easier than using correct grammar, syntax and spelling. You too are just getting old and intolerant. At the very least you should thank her for posting in a form which makes her posts easy to spot and easier to ignore.

I for one always have a mental picture of ʆë®Ñï†Ý when I see her posts, sitting at her computer, , pouting, winking, shrugging, hugging, giggling, grimacing, grinning, waving, waving madly, , nodding etc.

I consider myself duely chastised for my rudeness, and am off to pick up a 6-pack of penitence.

OLD, hold on, where do you get off calling ME and LoA old :D - who's being rude now - quick LoA, pass that mirror over to our cinnamon coated pal (oh, and he might need a coldie when reality takes hold :D ).

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Melusine:
I have only one thing to say:

I think it's time for a
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That is the best idea yet! It should be instituted in all threads in the forum! :D

Regarding my post on page 2, in NO WAY was I even suggesting that the mods are not doing there jobs properly, sorry if any of you took offence from that. The mods here do a good job. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scronan:

So I think the moral is, new folks and old folks alike, we all need to remind ourselves to keep things in check now and then. [img]smile.gif[/img]
<hr></blockquote>


Wise words - some of us don't get a choice. ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Donut:


I have to disagree with you here Davros and LoA. Trust you to be rude on a 'Too much rudeness thread'.

ʆë®Ñï†Ý is posting in a style that many kids use today. It is far easier than using correct grammar, syntax and spelling. You too are just getting old and intolerant. At the very least you should thank her for posting in a form which makes her posts easy to spot and easier to ignore.

I for one always have a mental picture of ʆë®Ñï†Ý when I see her posts, sitting at her computer, , pouting, winking, shrugging, hugging, giggling, grimacing, grinning, waving, waving madly, , nodding etc.<hr></blockquote>

Give ʆë®Ñï†Ý a break, will yous? It's called textspeak. It's the way you type when you send text/SMS messages on a mobile phone. I've noticed Glorfindel use it as well and while it requires some effort for interpretation for the uninitiated surely it's not that hard to understand. Obviously none of you own a mobile phone, eh? :D

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Davros:
OLD, hold on, where do you get off calling ME and LoA old :D - who's being rude now - quick LoA, pass that mirror over to our cinnamon coated pal (oh, and he might need a coldie when reality takes hold :D ).<hr></blockquote>

Age is all in the mind Davros. On the outside I may have the appearance of a 45 year old man but inside there is an 18 year old halfwit trying to get out! :D

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Memnoch:


Give ʆë®Ñï†Ý a break, will yous? It's called textspeak. It's the way you type when you send text/SMS messages on a mobile phone. I've noticed Glorfindel use it as well and while it requires some effort for interpretation for the uninitiated surely it's not that hard to understand. Obviously none of you own a mobile phone, eh? :D <hr></blockquote>

Yes Memnoch I understand that textspeak is used on SMS messages. I do own a mobile phone but I'm not using it at the moment. Both hands are involved in using the keyboard. :D

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Memnoch:


Give ʆë®Ñï†Ý a break, will yous? It's called textspeak. It's the way you type when you send text/SMS messages on a mobile phone. I've noticed Glorfindel use it as well and while it requires some effort for interpretation for the uninitiated surely it's not that hard to understand. Obviously none of you own a mobile phone, eh? :D <hr></blockquote>

*raises hand, giggles*
I own one, and I send text messages with them as well. But don't all the ~gglz~ ~huggles~ ~grynz~ take up more of the precious SMS space? I don't think it *is* textspeak as such.
Oh well, just my 2c... I'm off to play now.

I will readily admit I assumed what is being dubbed a 'psuedo-mod hat' once in a thread recently with another member whom I felt might be edging a little too close to the boundary of debate vs. flame....and I was also on AIM with him at the time and so told him I did it. My justification was, right or wrong, better me (or anyone else) to try to draw back the reins than the mods to have to start issuing warnings (or other chastisement). They (the mods) are frantically busy already--and shouldn't we all try to 'be there' good or bad for our friends? Do any of you sit on your hands if it looks like a friend might be getting a little carried away?

If this was offensive to others or against the rules and regs, my apologies. I do not make a habit of it, but at the same time, I would hope another would do the same for me.

Garnet goes off to check on her wet noodle stash for future beatings....

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Melusine:


*raises hand, giggles*
I own one, and I send text messages with them as well. But don't all the ~gglz~ ~huggles~ ~grynz~ take up more of the precious SMS space? I don't think it *is* textspeak as such.
Oh well, just my 2c... I'm off to play now.<hr></blockquote>

Hmm you're right I've never seen that style used in text messages and I've been sending/receiving them for a few years now. Oh well, I don't find Eternity's style hard to follow at all, I think the little emotion/action indicators add character.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Donut:

You too are just getting old and intolerant. <hr></blockquote>

Hello, this almost slipped past - so, are you saying that you TOO are getting old and intolerant, or did you mean to say "you TWO are getting old and intolerant".

Methinks the latter, in which case I would have it noted that you have at last been caught you in a syntactical slip-up.

Now there's no use pointing out my grammatical decreptitude by way of riposte, because I am aware that my typing abilities are unable to match my proliferation of prose [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] .

[ 02-01-2002: Message edited by: Davros ]</p>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Garnet FalconDance:
I will readily admit I assumed what is being dubbed a 'psuedo-mod hat' once in a thread recently with another member whom I felt might be edging a little too close to the boundary of debate vs. flame....and I was also on AIM with him at the time and so told him I did it. My justification was, right or wrong, better me (or anyone else) to try to draw back the reins than the mods to have to start issuing warnings (or other chastisement). They (the mods) are frantically busy already--and shouldn't we all try to 'be there' good or bad for our friends? Do any of you sit on your hands if it looks like a friend might be getting a little carried away?

If this was offensive to others or against the rules and regs, my apologies. I do not make a habit of it, but at the same time, I would hope another would do the same for me.

Garnet goes off to check on her wet noodle stash for future beatings....<hr></blockquote>


I don't think what you did was wrong at all, and neither do the mods I think. They do welcome any help in monitoring this huge forum. I think that what they object to is when people assume higher moral ground, reprimanding people and being generally unpleasant and pedantic about it.
I cannot speak for the mods of course, but I think they would welcome it if you remind people in a heated debate to be polite, in a friendly, non-patronising manner of course. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thanks, Melusine. I hadn't noticed any of the mods coming for me, so I assumed (hoped!) I hadn't overstepped *my* bounds! [img]smile.gif[/img]

HOWEVER, I am maintaining a steady supply of wet noodles for any beatings which might need administerating..... ;)

I own three cellphones and never turn the darned things on. I always delegate the thing to my stepson, who has installed custom ring, etc. How annoying to hear Fur Elise when all it is really saying is, "Somebody wants to talk to you, no mattter what you are doing." My crusty husband always says, and I agree, that he wants to be less available, not more. But, I say, let 'Eternity' use whatever style she likes.

Heh, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with Eternity's posting style, personally I like it, not as dry as some of the others [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Let us youngsters have our fun [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Remember, in your old age we're going to be the ones taking care of you [img]tongue.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Neb:


Remember, in your old age we're going to be the ones taking care of you [img]tongue.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

Haha, I like that one :D