<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Madman-Rogovich:
okay .....really pissed off madman here.....not ina while have i seen such a display of ignorance arrogace and idiocy i aint gonna say ay names cos i dont wanta fight but come on!

FIRSTLY - there is more to the UNITED (< keyword) KINGDOM than just england .
- There is much beauty and good shit in the country

- i am hardly a fan of the monarchy but tourism.! ill continue later but ANGRY<hr></blockquote>I suppose I'm one of the names so I will reply to this. I understand that the royal family attracts tourists but in my opinion I think we do not need them anymore.I'm sure people will still come and visit England for many other reasons, surely everyone is not attracted to the Eiffel tower in France or the White house in Washington D.C, there must be many other reasons people go to the places that they do then to see certain landmarks. Donut good points (especially about the income tax) but the amount of money they get is still incredibly unfair, someone who walks up and down a walkway wearing a strange costume actually recieves more money then a person who saves somebody's life (perhaps more then once a month/ a skilled doctor/surgeon).

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<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Madman-Rogovich:
okay .....really pissed off madman here.....not ina while have i seen such a display of ignorance arrogace and idiocy i aint gonna say ay names cos i dont wanta fight but come on!

FIRSTLY - there is more to the UNITED (< keyword) KINGDOM than just england .
- There is much beauty and good shit in the country

- i am hardly a fan of the monarchy but tourism.! ill continue later but ANGRY<hr></blockquote>

Oh I agree with your point about the UK. But since we were *dissing* the UK I didn't feel comfortable including Scotland, Wales, NI - because I don't like saying nasty things about other countries - whereas I am quite happy to be mean about the English, since I am one.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Madman-Rogovich:
okay .....really pissed off madman here.....not ina while have i seen such a display of ignorance arrogace and idiocy i aint gonna say ay names cos i dont wanta fight but come on!

FIRSTLY - there is more to the UNITED (< keyword) KINGDOM than just england .
- There is much beauty and good shit in the country

- i am hardly a fan of the monarchy but tourism.! ill continue later but ANGRY<hr></blockquote>

Uh Madman.... ever heard of the expression 'tongue-in-cheek'? ;) ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Madman-Rogovich:
okay .....really pissed off madman here.....not ina while have i seen such a display of ignorance arrogace and idiocy i aint gonna say ay names cos i dont wanta fight but come on!

FIRSTLY - there is more to the UNITED (< keyword) KINGDOM than just england .
- There is much beauty and good shit in the country

- i am hardly a fan of the monarchy but tourism.! ill continue later but ANGRY<hr></blockquote>

See England is the reason to hate the UK, Soctland and Wales are just great.

As for all this talk about the Monarchy they aren't all bad, sure they suck up our hard earned money, hunt and kill cute innocent little foxes, [img]graemlins/verysad.gif[/img] go abroad and manage to insult pretty much everyone......but if they didn't exist who would the tabloids write about and let not forget their charity work.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:

Gabriel, I agree with all of yours except for the too hot one. Where do you live....<hr></blockquote>

Don't want to say where I live there might be a Wimbildom FC fan about :D I live in Milton Keynes, 50-odd km north of London and in august it gets to hot here for me .

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Galadria1:

[img]smile.gif[/img] Epona, it's not supposed even to be English. As Donut says, an American, Roger Miller, wrote it, as an appreciation of England.
<hr></blockquote>

OK, I was having a 'thick' day yesterday! :D But the reason I don't like the song is still relevant - it is not an appreciation of England, it is twee and a mockery! Bobbies on bicycles 2 by 2?? Bobbies beating people up in the back of Stoke Newington nick then selling drugs cut with fingerprinting powder more like. Oops, did I say that?

BTW, just to clarify, I think this thread is great fun - I'm not worked up about any of this, least of all a daft song, and I'm certainly not in the least bit patriotic [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gabriel:


I live in Milton Keynes, 50-odd km north of London and in august it gets to hot here for me . <hr></blockquote>

Gabe, I was once told that Milton Keynes was the only town in Britain where you couldn't sit your driving test - because all the roundabouts mean that there isn't enough variation and a lack of potential dangerous situations! Is that true, or was my leg being pulled? There certainly are a lot of roundabouts though, one wrong turn and you find yourself driving around the outskirts for the next 50 years ...

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Epona:


OK, I was having a 'thick' day yesterday! :D But the reason I don't like the song is still relevant - it is not an appreciation of England, it is twee and a mockery! Bobbies on bicycles 2 by 2?? Bobbies beating people up in the back of Stoke Newington nick then selling drugs cut with fingerprinting powder more like. Oops, did I say that?
[img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>
I know, Epona, if you are living in it , it doesn't seem so quaint, does it? Texas is like that, too. Roger Miller was (is?) twee and rather daft. That was what made his songs different. Have you ever heard "King of the Road?" I'm sure a real hobo would have a thing or two to say about it. But "England Swings" was, emotionally, an accurate picture of how a first time visitor to London perceives it. Plus, the catchy tune. That was probably why I was humming it, and why the Friends producers used it in "The one about Ross' Wedding."

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Galadria1:

I know, Epona, if you are living in it , it doesn't seem so quaint, does it? Texas is like that, too. Roger Miller was (is?) twee and rather daft. That was what made his songs different. Have you ever heard "King of the Road?" I'm sure a real hobo would have a thing or two to say about it. But "England Swings" was, emotionally, an accurate picture of how a first time visitor to London perceives it. Plus, the catchy tune. That was probably why I was humming it, and why the Friends producers used it in "The one about Ross' Wedding."<hr></blockquote>

Yes, I am unfortunately familiar with "King of the Road". You know what though? I've had "England Swings" running through my head ever since I first looked in this thread! AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH - send for the padded van and men in white coats to come and get me now, before it's too late! :D

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Epona:


Yes, I am unfortunately familiar with "King of the Road". You know what though? I've had "England Swings" running through my head ever since I first looked in this thread! AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH - send for the padded van and men in white coats to come and get me now, before it's too late! :D <hr></blockquote>
LOL. Sorry about that. I hate it when that happens. I have been reading In pursuit of the Proper Sinner by Elizabeth George, (an American, naturally)which seems to describe the UK that you are actually living in. I prefer to think of you all lolling about a stately manor inhabited by P.G. Wodehouse types, or, failing that, following Jonathan Gash's Lovejoy around the countryside. (sigh)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Galadria1:

LOL. Sorry about that. I hate it when that happens. I have been reading In pursuit of the Proper Sinner by Elizabeth George, (an American, naturally)which seems to describe the UK that you are actually living in. I prefer to think of you all lolling about a stately manor inhabited by P.G. Wodehouse types, or, failing that, following Jonathan Gash's Lovejoy around the countryside. (sigh)<hr></blockquote>

Oh if only! Jeeves, could you fetch afternoon tea?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Galadria1:

LOL. Sorry about that. I hate it when that happens. I have been reading In pursuit of the Proper Sinner by Elizabeth George, (an American, naturally)which seems to describe the UK that you are actually living in. I prefer to think of you all lolling about a stately manor inhabited by P.G. Wodehouse types, or, failing that, following Jonathan Gash's Lovejoy around the countryside. (sigh)<hr></blockquote>


Gawd blimey Galdadria! You don't wanna fink abaht us like that! We carnt see nuffin wiv all this bloomin fog abaht. Proper pea-souper it is. Gawd luv-a-duck , ain't that Robin Hood over there? :D

If you really want to know what it's like in England you shoud visit EPCOT centre in Disneyworld, they've got us down to a tee.

Speaking of Disneyworld and songs that you can't get out of your head:
This will do your brain in
It's a world of laughter
A world of tears
It's a world of hopes
And a world of fears
There's so much that we share
That it's time we're aware
It's a small world after all

There is just one moon
And one golden sun
And a smile means
Friendship to every one
Though the mountains divide
And the oceans are wide
It's a small world after all

It's a small world after
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small, small world

(Repeat whole song)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
In the style of channel four, here comes this thread! Not in the style of channel four they are in no particular order. These are just coming off the top of my head so please anyone feel free to add to them. I will not add the Elgin Marbles, but if Sir Byronas wishes to then he is quite welcome.

1. When giving colonies independance we pulled out the entire civil service at once. 40 years on we look at countries in disarray due to civil war and economic crisis and act gracious in cancelling debt. Hmmm, how very kind.

2. We invented concentration camps. Dutch Boers were the first victims, in a war which we started for our own colonial gain. Thousands of women and children died in them.

3. We have no right to silence. Under the 1995 Criminal Justice Act if a defendant says nothing in court the judge has a duty to explain to the dury that it is probably due to their guilt.

4. The government currently sponsors arms fairs for British companies in both India and Pakistan. Tony Blair then goes to both in front of as many cameras as possible to try and start peace talks.

5. 92 members of our legislative are decided by birthright. It is the year 2002 and we retain 92 hereditary legislators, I love this country...

6. First Ireland then Northern Ireland... need I say more...

7. Our electoral system dictates that an MP represents a constituency, he must represent that even if it contradicts the wishes of his party. The Doctrine of the Mandate clearly destroys this principle.

8. Our education system states that if a couple earns £40,000+ a year combined then they are perfectly capable of financing a child through university. MPs earn £45,000 a year approx depending on their position and status in the House. They are currently campaigning for a rise as they can't cover their costs.

9. The Lord Chancellor sits in all three branches of the constitution, Legislative, Executive, and Judiciary. The current Lord chancellor has stood for election twice and lost both times. However he was deemed, out of all the judges in the country, most capable of this obviously contraversial position. The fact that he was Tony Blair's first employer is obviously unconnected. Similarly unconnected is the fact that the Solicitor General used to be Blair's flatmate.

10. Only 28% of young people from poor social economic backgrounds go to university (latest figures, talking this from the front of the newspaper in front of me). Guess which is the worst university for intake of poor students? Thats right - LSE! And guess where I am...

Off the top of my head. I am sure there can be found more through digging a bit. I am sure Norompolansis would like Mr Thatcher added as one of the reasons, but I really didn't want to type out all of the reasons I hate her. I am now going out for the evening (Monday = Burger at local Pub night) but when I get back I shall expect a large list of reasons from other people. I'm counting on you! May the hatred be with you!<hr></blockquote>


Nice to see someone criticise their own country rather than someone elses Barry. Good post. [img]smile.gif[/img] You can actually change your own nation with critique.

However I must say, that point 7. isn't a bad thing IMO. I wish that were the case in Oz. What's the point of electing a member to represent you , if their going to ignore your needs at the expense of party policy?

I agree with the former colony dissaray/Ireland/North Ireland points. Very very very unfortunate realities. :(

I agree with the hereditary Lords as well. An Aristocracy is 2002??!

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Yorick:



Nice to see someone criticise their own country rather than someone elses Barry. Good post. [img]smile.gif[/img] You can actually change your own nation with critique.

However I must say, that point 7. isn't a bad thing IMO. I wish that were the case in Oz. What's the point of electing a member to represent you , if their going to ignore your needs at the expense of party policy?

I agree with the former colony dissaray/Ireland/North Ireland points. Very very very unfortunate realities. :(

I agree with the hereditary Lords as well. An Aristocracy is 2002??!<hr></blockquote>

Thanks man [img]smile.gif[/img]

You miss my point about No.7 though Yorick. That is how it is meant to be (an MP represents a constituency not a party). If that were the case then our shite electoral system would not matter. In reality there is a section of our constitution called the Doctrine of the Mandate which destroys this. It states that because the MP's are members of parties the party has the right to enforce its will over them. So the partys can use whips to ensure the MP's vote the way they should do, despite constitutionally the exact oppposite being technically true. Our constitution is a mess to be frank, we need a new one quickly.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Epona:


Oh if only! Jeeves, could you fetch afternoon tea?<hr></blockquote>
Definitely. And watercress sandwiches. And then land us in some mad-and-merry adventure involving broken engagements, pigs, and Aunt Agatha hopping after Bertie with her hatchet. LOL. I love her. "She was rumored to eat her young and practice sacrifices at crossroads on the full moon."
Donut, I love it. Doesn't it make you angry when somebody tries to imitate East End accents, like that guy in Baldur's Gate II? Also, over here, they are starting to serve teatime, which they invariably refer to as "High Tea," meaning "high" as in "High Society." Sigh. What's an Anglophile to do?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:

Our constitution is a mess to be frank, we need a new one quickly.<hr></blockquote>

Hey, Barry, who persuaded you that the U.K. actually has a constitution???

Before the importation of the ECHR into the U.K. we had precious few enforceable and inalienable rights. That's what you get when your "constitution" has grown up by common law, custom and prededent rather than than being founded on some sort of codified document.

That's what allows our Executive such unbridled power (the elected dictatorship). For example, it allowed Mrs. T to run roughshod over the miners by using the police force as a political tool under the guise of preventing civil unrest and prosecute the "Falklands War" with very few checks and balances.

Just my [img]graemlins/twocents.gif[/img]

Oh, and this may come as a surprise to those who think the U.K. is one big homogenous mass - the Scots have their own Parliament, judicial and educational systems and no established religion etc. etc. etc. :D

Another thing that annoys me about England, I live in a very small, quite old town called Thornbury, and though you might complain because London is overcrowded, trust me, I'd trade in just a little of the beautiful countryside we have for something to do without having to go into Bristol!!

I cant think of much about England that I hate.

Politics? everywhere you go democracy is just a clamber for the middle ground so eh, what difference does it make. Its what they do down behind their backs that matters not what theyre saying.

The Royal family? well some people derive amusment from them and since my taxes dont pay for their upkeep what do I care.


What I can say is England has LOADS of great writers and that I love.

Okay my points were taken to heart , which was not the intention isimply saught to raise a few points being ignored ...as if ne thing destroys my soul as much as ignorance in a serious debate meanwhile.......... AGHAST A VAMPYR - EXEUNT

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Epona:


Gabe, I was once told that Milton Keynes was the only town in Britain where you couldn't sit your driving test - because all the roundabouts mean that there isn't enough variation and a lack of potential dangerous situations! Is that true, or was my leg being pulled? There certainly are a lot of roundabouts though, one wrong turn and you find yourself driving around the outskirts for the next 50 years ...<hr></blockquote>
I think they were pulling your leg, we mainly have roundabouts on the major roads. So I normally take lessons on the estate roads or in the villages or towns we manged to absorb.
As for getting lost I can never understand how people mange it, the roads are in a grid patten, if you go down the wrong one turn around at the roundabout and go back the right way.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Mouse:
Hey, Barry, who persuaded you that the U.K. actually has a constitution???<hr></blockquote>

I get this a lot in my politics classes ;) . We do have a constitution, it is a common mistake to assume that because it is not of the same form as the American one it does not exist. Our constitution is for the most part written, but it is not codified, and it has been so since the Magna Carta. It comes from:

1. Statue law,
2. Case law,
3. EU law (regulations bypass parliament altogether),
4. Works of authority (Bagehot, Dicey, and the like),
5. Where all else fails - convention and precedent.

It is best to think of it as a string vest made over several hundred years. Bits of it don't fit very well, and there are absolutely whopping gaps in it. But the generally accepted view is that it doesn't need replacing, just patching up. I agree with you, it is so slapdash it might as well not exist. But if we didn't actually have a constitution we wouldn't be a country. We have one, it is just a complete mess (to say the least).

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:


I get this a lot in my politics classes ;) . We do have a constitution, it is a common mistake to assume that because it is not of the same form as the American one it does not exist. Our constitution is for the most part written, but it is not codified, and it has been so since the Magna Carta. It comes from:

1. Statue law,
2. Case law,
3. EU law (regulations bypass parliament altogether),
4. Works of authority (Bagehot, Dicey, and the like),
5. Where all else fails - convention and precedent.

<hr></blockquote>

And therein lies the root of the problem. There is not a fundamental set of rules and regulations that underpin the system. For example, it is my understanding there are no absolute rights that a U.K. citizen can insist upon against the State. What we have is absolute freedom unless we are forbidden to act by one of the methods of restricting this freedom mentioned above.

This may seem a reasonable state of affairs and indeed, it does lend itself to more rapid and flexible adaptation to changing circumstances. But it also has the major disadvantage that the Executive can further restrict or remove any of the freedoms that the populace enjoy by statute, and the citizens so affected have no recourse to an overarching fundamental constitution should they wish to challenge such a decision.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Madman-Rogovich:
Okay my points were taken to heart , which was not the intention isimply saught to raise a few points being ignored ...as if ne thing destroys my soul as much as ignorance in a serious debate meanwhile.......... AGHAST A VAMPYR - EXEUNT<hr></blockquote>
No worry's ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Mouse:


And therein lies the root of the problem. There is not a fundamental set of rules and regulations that underpin the system. For example, it is my understanding there are no absolute rights that a U.K. citizen can insist upon against the State. What we have is absolute freedom unless we are forbidden to act by one of the methods of restricting this freedom mentioned above.

This may seem a reasonable state of affairs and indeed, it does lend itself to more rapid and flexible adaptation to changing circumstances. But it also has the major disadvantage that the Executive can further restrict or remove any of the freedoms that the populace enjoy by statute, and the citizens so affected have no recourse to an overarching fundamental constitution should they wish to challenge such a decision.<hr></blockquote>

Agree 100%. There is a strong argument that a constitution is not a constitution unless it is higher law of some kind. I don't follow it myself - a constitution that isn't higher law is possible in my view. It is just extremely flexible which, as you point out, is a good and bad thing. I am with you about the Executive and its increased powers, what I am saying is that we do technically have a constitution. We just might as well not bother at times.

Before Reading This I Looked Where You Were From... Anywhere But England And I Would Be Annoyed... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Beaumanoir:
Before Reading This I Looked Where You Were From... Anywhere But England And I Would Be Annoyed... [img]tongue.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

*sigh*............remember, there is a small and insignificant country that perches upon the greatness that calls itself England.

We call it Scotland and quite like it. Especially because capitalising every word as if it were a proper noun is not compulsory here.......... [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Beaumanoir:
Before Reading This I Looked Where You Were From... Anywhere But England And I Would Be Annoyed... [img]tongue.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

I feel offended that you don't know where I'm from anyway Binky. Isn't my name synonymous with London? The greatest and most soulless of all cities? And yeah, it seems to make sense more to insult the country you come from. People don't seem to take it personally for the most part if you do that.

Is one thing I have learnt and commented on over the years to many people who bitch, complain and moan about things around them

"If you don't like it, quit bitching and do something about it
change "your" life"

For you Barry..leave this crap country you hate so much and go where the grass is greener, you seem genuinely one of those people that dislikes this country so get a grip on your life and move,it really is that simple, many others have done it [img]smile.gif[/img]


Im not patriotic as such, I dont think much of royalty, makes me sick to see them in the newspapers but im sure they are useful for tourisim and public visits to places
but i was born here and despite all the crap things England(cos we seem to hate England not the rest of the UK) has wrong with it and all its problems, Im happy to live here and would never live elsewhere again.


Ive been all over Europe and lived in some countries for differing amounts of time and maybe thats why I have a different outlook, who knows....I could make small minded comments as to why you view things like you do but it wouldnt help so.......

Best of luck with your life and I hope you wise up

Didn't even read this thread. The bloke's a ****, a proper stinking ****. I'm flabberghasted that this forum can even allow **** like this to air their views. Is there anything in the rules and reg's regarding racism? which this post obviously incites. I've copied it all now anyway, including my post which is obviously acceptable when racist hatred is allowed to go unchecked upon these boards.

TOP TEN REASONS TO HATE THE UK.

Yep, hatred (like the author maggot even understands it) and the name of a peoples would suggest to me by its very title that this is a racist thread designed to cause disruption.

Listen Barry the ****, did you honestly expect by writing **** like this that no-one would be offended...did you ****?

Whilst sitting in your London home, in the warmth telling me what a **** place this is when I've had family maimed to give two bob **** like you the airspace to gripe and bitch and whine like the stinking scum you are. What is your input into the U.K? Tell me, what has the U.K gained or gleaned from one such as you. Are we the better peoples because a rancid maggot such as yourself was given a soapbox upon which to stand to spout your filth across the globe? **** off and die ****. Listen to me now ****, I'm bang dead centre of London and I'll happily meet you in any pub car park of your choosing, ANY!! bring your firm ****, you have none, you are lonely, you are friendless and you count for nothing.....absolutely **** all. Did your mum or dad leave you as a baby? Face it, who could blame them. Who's rancid diseased riddled ***** did you dribble off of anyway?
Tell me, did you ever write educational notes for Osama bin Laden? Top Ten Reasons To Hate The USA I think one of them had been reading. Some soppy **** had written it to amuse himself, a few thousand people enjoyed it when their lives were shattered. But of course it's ok...it's somewhere else, I didn't mean it like that.....my hatred is a different kind of hatred.....****.


You are a child educated where? To give you the inteligence for what? Please die ****, commit suicide, you are unwanted, unliked and unloved......useless......now **** off.

Like hatred do you Barry?
Lie to me that you wasn't taken aback or upset by the above.....go on....lie.
I revoke wholeheartedly the above comments but if thou wouldst deal in hatred then understand it in its mildest and safest of forms and witness its ugliness. How dare you even post such a thread? You have intelligence and you were completely aware that some people would be upset.

Now do a thread.... 10 reasons to hate ****....Go on, I dare you, How about 10 reasons to hate the black bastards?
Oh who was the bloke who done the concentration camps btw, the very individual I mean? Was he English? Was he Scottish, Welsh, Afro Carribean, perhaps part of the Raj, all part of the U.K/Commonwealth of course so it's nice to know you would sweep so many nationalities into the abyss on the pretext that some-one somewhere told you that the bastard was/might/could be English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh whatever, sweep em all away........ racism at its finest.

You thought you may get away with it. What was the purpose of this deeply antagonistic thread? Was it to show people your educational prowess? was it that you may inflame someone such as myself and then partake in some kind of psychological joust? What was the purpose. Don't be giving me **** about it's a fun thread because it's anything but, one needs only read your opening gambit to see and realise that this is a highly offensive and potentially volatile thread. For the individual that tried to make light and suggest this thread was a way to let off steam.......bollocks. This thread was designed to upset. IT IS RACIST.

Barry the Sheep, Keep your head down, don't look too far in front, keep your head down and keep looking for the grass that's greener, find it then **** off.......I won't follow.

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<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The Dark:
Didn't even read this thread. The bloke's a ****, a proper stinking ****. I'm flabberghasted that this forum can even allow ******** like this to air their views. Is there anything in the rules and reg's regarding racism? which this post obviously incites. I've copied it all now anyway, including my post which is obviously acceptable when racist hatred is allowed to go unchecked upon these boards.

TOP TEN REASONS TO HATE THE UK.

Yep, hatred (like the author maggot even understands it) and the name of a peoples would suggest to me by its very title that this is a racist thread designed to cause disruption.

Listen Barry the ****, did you honestly expect by writing **** like this that no-one would be offended...did you ****?

Whilst sitting in your London home, in the warmth telling me what a **** place this is when I've had family maimed to give two bob **** like you the airspace to gripe and bitch and whine like the stinking scum you are. What is your input into the U.K? Tell me, what has the U.K gained or gleaned from one such as you. Are we the better peoples because a rancid maggot such as yourself was given a soapbox upon which to stand to spout your filth across the globe? **** off and die ****. Listen to me now ****, I'm bang dead centre of London and I'll happily meet you in any pub car park of your choosing, ANY!! bring your firm ****, you have none, you are lonely, you are friendless and you count for nothing.....absolutely **** all. Did your mum or dad leave you as a baby? Face it, who could blame them. Who's rancid diseased riddled ***** did you dribble off of anyway?
Tell me, did you ever write educational notes for Osama bin Laden? Top Ten Reasons To Hate The USA I think one of them had been reading. Some soppy **** had written it to amuse himself, a few thousand people enjoyed it when their lives were shattered. But of course it's ok...it's somewhere else, I didn't mean it like that.....my hatred is a different kind of hatred.....wanker.


You are a child educated where? To give you the inteligence for what? Please die ****, commit suicide, you are unwanted, unliked and unloved......useless......now **** off.

Like hatred do you Barry?
Lie to me that you wasn't taken aback or upset by the above.....go on....lie.
I revoke wholeheartedly the above comments but if thou wouldst deal in hatred then understand it in its mildest and safest of forms and witness its ugliness. How dare you even post such a thread? You have intelligence and you were completely aware that some people would be upset.

Now do a thread.... 10 reasons to hate Paki's....Go on, I dare you, How about 10 reasons to hate the black bastards?
Oh who was the bloke who done the concentration camps btw, the very individual I mean? Was he English? Was he Scottish, Welsh, Afro Carribean, perhaps part of the Raj, all part of the U.K/Commonwealth of course so it's nice to know you would sweep so many nationalities into the abyss on the pretext that some-one somewhere told you that the bastard was/might/could be English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh whatever, sweep em all away........ racism at its finest.

You thought you may get away with it. What was the purpose of this deeply antagonistic thread? Was it to show people your educational prowess? was it that you may inflame someone such as myself and then partake in some kind of psychological joust? What was the purpose. Don't be giving me **** about it's a fun thread because it's anything but, one needs only read your opening gambit to see and realise that this is a highly offensive and potentially volatile thread. For the individual that tried to make light and suggest this thread was a way to let off steam.......bollocks. This thread was designed to upset. IT IS RACIST.

Barry the Sheep, Keep your head down, don't look too far in front, keep your head down and keep looking for the grass that's greener, find it then **** off.......I won't follow.<hr></blockquote>

Ouch, you should remove your swearing and flaming, it's okay to say what you want about different threads, but not like this!

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Memnoch ]</p>

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No need for flooding this thread with warnings and admonishions - let the mods take care of it. Thank you. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I generally try to look at any nation or people with tolerance and understanding, even try and see if I can pick out good points in them which I can appreciate and learn from. But in the case of the Brits, when I reflect on how they threw their weight around the entire planet in the 19th Century, and in particular how they poisoned the Chinese with opium (I'm Chinese) and later blew them up when they tried to put a stop to it... I believe most of you can guess what sort of things I'm likely to think or say... (I know, it's more than 150 years in the past, but still...)

If Earth were Dominus, the British (of the 19th Century) would have to have been the Rapax.

Lets take this to PM shall we man. No need to make this *mostly comedy* thread turn ugly.

Edit - Well, it appears I am unable to send PM's to Mr Dark. That is helpful. If you are still reading this I am sorry if I caused offence. This thread was writtne as I was being accused of attacking American at any opportunity. I was trying to show that there is a wealth of difference between hating a country and hating the policies of the government of that country. Go back and check my top ten, are they all directed against the people of the UK? Are any of them? You have me exactly right when you say a thread that actually did say "All the people from country X are bastards", but is this one a thread like that? I was trying to show to some members here how stupid an accusation of being "Anti-country X" is based on critiscm of their government policies. Mods, please go easy on this guy. I don't think he was fully aware of where I was coming from. And go easy on me as well actually... for the reasons above... please?

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Barry the Sprout ]</p>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The Dark:
Didn't even read this thread. The bloke's a ****, a proper stinking ****. I'm flabberghasted that this forum can even allow **** like this to air their views. Is there anything in the rules and reg's regarding racism? which this post obviously incites. I've copied it all now anyway, including my post which is obviously acceptable when racist hatred is allowed to go unchecked upon these boards.

TOP TEN REASONS TO HATE THE UK.

Yep, hatred (like the author maggot even understands it) and the name of a peoples would suggest to me by its very title that this is a racist thread designed to cause disruption.

Listen Barry the ****, did you honestly expect by writing shit like this that no-one would be offended...did you ****?

Whilst sitting in your London home, in the warmth telling me what a shit place this is when I've had family maimed to give two bob **** like you the airspace to gripe and bitch and whine like the stinking scum you are. What is your input into the U.K? Tell me, what has the U.K gained or gleaned from one such as you. Are we the better peoples because a rancid maggot such as yourself was given a soapbox upon which to stand to spout your filth across the globe? **** off and die ****. Listen to me now ****, I'm bang dead centre of London and I'll happily meet you in any pub car park of your choosing, ANY!! bring your firm ****, you have none, you are lonely, you are friendless and you count for nothing.....absolutely **** all. Did your mum or dad leave you as a baby? Face it, who could blame them. Who's rancid diseased riddled prick did you dribble off of anyway?
Tell me, did you ever write educational notes for Osama bin Laden? Top Ten Reasons To Hate The USA I think one of them had been reading. Some soppy **** had written it to amuse himself, a few thousand people enjoyed it when their lives were shattered. But of course it's ok...it's somewhere else, I didn't mean it like that.....my hatred is a different kind of hatred.....****.


You are a child educated where? To give you the inteligence for what? Please die ****, commit suicide, you are unwanted, unliked and unloved......useless......now **** off.

Like hatred do you Barry?
Lie to me that you wasn't taken aback or upset by the above.....go on....lie.
I revoke wholeheartedly the above comments but if thou wouldst deal in hatred then understand it in its mildest and safest of forms and witness its ugliness. How dare you even post such a thread? You have intelligence and you were completely aware that some people would be upset.

Now do a thread.... 10 reasons to hate Paki's....Go on, I dare you, How about 10 reasons to hate the black bastards?
Oh who was the bloke who done the concentration camps btw, the very individual I mean? Was he English? Was he Scottish, Welsh, Afro Carribean, perhaps part of the Raj, all part of the U.K/Commonwealth of course so it's nice to know you would sweep so many nationalities into the abyss on the pretext that some-one somewhere told you that the bastard was/might/could be English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh whatever, sweep em all away........ racism at its finest.

You thought you may get away with it. What was the purpose of this deeply antagonistic thread? Was it to show people your educational prowess? was it that you may inflame someone such as myself and then partake in some kind of psychological joust? What was the purpose. Don't be giving me shit about it's a fun thread because it's anything but, one needs only read your opening gambit to see and realise that this is a highly offensive and potentially volatile thread. For the individual that tried to make light and suggest this thread was a way to let off steam.......bollocks. This thread was designed to upset. IT IS RACIST.

Barry the Sheep, Keep your head down, don't look too far in front, keep your head down and keep looking for the grass that's greener, find it then **** off.......I won't follow.

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Memnoch ]<hr></blockquote>

Dark, for excessive foul language used to flame another forum member (some of the most excessive I've seen) your account has been suspended for two weeks, after which we will reevaluate the status of your membership. If we see threads that we do not agree with here, we do NOT cuss or flame the person who started them. Certainly not to the extent that you did above with at least SIXTEEN cuss words used, all in anger against someone else. That's effectively sustained verbal assault, mate, and is not justifiable by anything.

In any case, if you found this thread offensive all you had to do was email one of the moderators. Just because you found it offensive does NOT give you the right to attack and flame another member with a torrent of expletives and verbal abuse - including real threats of violence.

Barry, you should have known better than to post a thread like this. I don't think that your intent was to inflame racial hatreds, but it *does* have the potential to cause offence to some people who are quite sensitive about their country. (I concede that if the title of the thread had been "Top 10 Reasons To Hate The US" I would have received many, MANY more complaints - maybe Brits in general are just less sensitive to criticism of their country ;) ). Not the smartest thing to do. Some people can laugh and have a self-deprecating look at their country, others can be very sensitive. Don't do it again, to ANYONE's country, ok?

I'm locking this thread now to avoid further flaming and would ask those involved to not revisit the topic again.

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Memnoch ]</p>