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Sir Real 10-13-2001 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jorath Calar:
If you met with the devil and you had to sell your soul for one wish, would you do it and if yes, what would it be?

I'd ask for eternal life, just to see if the sucker would fall for it. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif


Hmm I ask for Godhood!

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H. Sedai 10-13-2001 10:57 PM

The idea of treating the prince of darkness as if he were a genie is somewhat new to me. The proverbial genie has to give you your wish whereas the devil does not. Your mortal mind cannot comprehend what otherworldy abilities the evil one has.

So, to play along...if I had one wish that I absolutely knew he would grant without fear of repercussions then I would selfishly wish for the cancer in my little sister's head to disapear.

Also, if I were much better looking, had more money, drove a nicer car and had a fridge just for cheetos, I'd be happier. hehe

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Legolas the Elven Archer 10-14-2001 05:18 AM

The discussion over wether or not the devil can speak English (and about the gender) seem a bit redundant. Even though God shaped people, people now shape God, the devil and the entire afterlife.
If people believe there is a devil, then there is one.
If people believe the devil is a she, then she is.
If people believe the devil can speak Friesian, then she can.
And so on.
You form your own personal hell or heaven where you'll end up (or not)

As for wishes (not including the global ones), immortality is not that nice, as you'll be stuck on earth for all eternity (and in some cases, I doubt it beats hell). The ability to end your immortality is also useless, as you exchange earth for hell (and in some cases, I doubt it beats earth).
Invulnerability seems like a nice wish (march straight into Afghanistan and drag bin Laden out by his ear for one thing) but probably has some major disadvantages as well. In any case, it's not worth going to hell for.
And that is how I think about practically any wish. So selling your soul isn't worth it, unless you were already going to hell. But then, the devil wouldn't try to strike a deal now would she?

BTW, selling your soul to get your soul back or for not going to hell? ehrrr...

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Epona 10-14-2001 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by Legolas the Elven Archer:
The discussion over wether or not the devil can speak English (and about the gender) seem a bit redundant.


Er... I think it was supposed to be humourous Legolas... - don't take it so seriously!!!

Satan is the invention of Judaeo-Christian belief, and since I do not believe in god, there can be no satan either.
I don't have a soul for that matter.

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Legolas the Elven Archer 10-14-2001 05:50 AM

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Originally posted by Epona:
Er... I think it was supposed to be humourous Legolas... - don't take it so seriously!!!

Sorry about that, I think the choice of words wasn't exactly right here.
I know that this isn't serious, but english is my second language so every once in a while I have a bit of trouble expressing myself.

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Epona 10-14-2001 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by Legolas the Elven Archer:
Sorry about that, I think the choice of words wasn't exactly right here.
I know that this isn't serious, but english is my second language so every once in a while I have a bit of trouble expressing myself.


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Silver Cheetah 10-14-2001 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by Legolas the Elven Archer:
Sorry about that, I think the choice of words wasn't exactly right here.
I know that this isn't serious, but english is my second language so every once in a while I have a bit of trouble expressing myself.


Yes, definitely meant to be humourous, Legolas TEA!! I don't believe in the devil at all, or hell, for that matter. I believe we create heaven or hell for ourselves, right here, right now...... I have never believed in a separate, extenal 'source of evil'. (More an excuse than a reason..... and a lame one at that. IMHO, of course. )



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Jorath Calar 10-14-2001 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by ladyzekke:
No problemo Fljotsdale. I'm just leaving the thread cause I'd rather converse with you on a general human level, as we of course have different religious, or non-religious, beliefs. I have no problem with that when talking to you, just want to avoid topics that kinda belittle my beliefs. But I still want to continue to post with you on other threads, again, on a neutral level, as just two "people living on this earth" type deal, as it seems that then, we seem to see things on the same level, and share the same wavelength surprisingly, we are both on the same page so to speak. So please don't think I'm pissed or anything cause of this thread, I'm just ducking out cause it isn't "compatibo" with me is all. See you on the flip side! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif



I'm sorry if I offenended anyone with this thread, I didn't mean to. It is kind of a "would you join the forces of evil to make your dreams come true - Type of question. If anyone took it any other way and got offended I sincerely apologies.

Oh, and on the gender issue, it's completly impossible that God if it exsist, could be female... Because no woman would or could screw something she creates up like that.


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Legolas the Elven Archer 10-14-2001 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Jorath Calar:

I'm sorry if I offenended anyone with this thread, I didn't mean to. It is kind of a "would you join the forces of evil to make your dreams come true - Type of question. If anyone took it any other way and got offended I sincerely apologies.

Oh, and on the gender issue, it's completly impossible that God if it exsist, could be female... Because no woman would or could screw something she creates up like that.


If from that we can draw the conclusion that men DO screw up, you may just upset some more people http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/noncgi/smiles/338.gifhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/noncgi/smiles/338.gif
But, being the man that I am, I argee with you.
*cue discussion about feminism* http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Cloudbringer 10-14-2001 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Jorath Calar:

I'm sorry if I offenended anyone with this thread, I didn't mean to. It is kind of a "would you join the forces of evil to make your dreams come true - Type of question. If anyone took it any other way and got offended I sincerely apologies.

Oh, and on the gender issue, it's completly impossible that God if it exsist, could be female... Because no woman would or could screw something she creates up like that.



Don't worry about it, hon. I think people are still edgy after the last few weeks. I do understand what LadyZ is saying though. Sometimes I feel like not expressing my beliefs because it seems to be open season on religion. That effect has built up a bit this last month with the large number of posts and serious discussions being made, and some of us may really be more sensitive than we usually are. I think it will pass! The members of IW are almost always thoughtful and caring, no matter what their religious/philisophical beliefs so I doubt anything bad was intended.

I can see where it was a serious good vs. evil post and maybe some folks who don't believe in the premise just find it easier to joke! At any rate, don't worry, I think people are either answering you in the tone you asked the question or just joshing around because the topic doesn't really effect them due to their belief systems. I don't think anyone meant to offend anyone else, least of all you!

Cloudy

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Fljotsdale 10-14-2001 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Cloudbringer:

Don't worry about it, hon. I think people are still edgy after the last few weeks. I do understand what LadyZ is saying though. Sometimes I feel like not expressing my beliefs because it seems to be open season on religion. That effect has built up a bit this last month with the large number of posts and serious discussions being made, and some of us may really be more sensitive than we usually are. I think it will pass! The members of IW are almost always thoughtful and caring, no matter what their religious/philisophical beliefs so I doubt anything bad was intended.

I can see where it was a serious good vs. evil post and maybe some folks who don't believe in the premise just find it easier to joke! At any rate, don't worry, I think people are either answering you in the tone you asked the question or just joshing around because the topic doesn't really effect them due to their belief systems. I don't think anyone meant to offend anyone else, least of all you!

Cloudy


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Fljotsdale 10-14-2001 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by H. Sedai:

So, to play along...if I had one wish that I absolutely knew he would grant without fear of repercussions then I would selfishly wish for the cancer in my little sister's head to disapear.

That's not selfish. And I am very sorry to hear about your sister. I really hope it is cureable and she gets well fast. I'm sure all the people who pray will pray for her if you post a thread about it. I'll contribute some positive thinking sent her way.

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Sorcerer Alex 10-14-2001 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Jorath Calar:
If you met with the devil....

I would say 'How's it goin', Lucifer? Feelin' horny?' http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif



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trux 10-14-2001 02:19 PM

I would wish to be a mage--now, today, I'd be the only mage and it would be great.

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Silver Cheetah 10-14-2001 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by trux:
I would wish to be a mage--now, today, I'd be the only mage and it would be great.


To be the only mage, you'd have to kill all the other mages off! Lots of real life white magic mages about, (probably lots of the other sort too, but I wouldn't know about that...)



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Silver Cheetah 10-14-2001 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Jorath Calar:

Oh, and on the gender issue, it's completly impossible that God if it exsist, could be female... Because no woman would or could screw something she creates up like that.


Two points here - a. screwed what up? Nothing wrong with the universe as far as I can see...... As I look around me, all the crap I see happening is as a result of people 'screwing things up' - in other words, of people living their lives, making mistakes, and, sometimes, learning to do better. If giving humankind free will was 'screwing things up', then yes, 'god' screwed up. So, lets all kill ourselves right now, as soon as we've programmed the robots to replace us, that will do only good. (Difficult. One programmers good might be another programmers heinous evil....http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif )

b. I do kind of take issue issue with your point about women not being able to screw up their creations. Is that so? What about all the unhappy and abused (by their mothers) children in the world, then? Have you ever ready a book called 'A child called it'?

Just my £2,000 worth...... http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif


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Lord Shield 10-14-2001 04:05 PM

I'd get premonition and super-powers

Then I would help EVERYBODY in the world so he COULDN'T get their souls

A fair price I think



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Silver Cheetah 10-14-2001 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Lord Shield:
I'd get premonition and super-powers

Then I would help EVERYBODY in the world so he COULDN'T get their souls

A fair price I think


But then you'd get very resentful eventually that you didn't have YOUR soul, and you were the only person in the world that didn't. Even the nicest person would turn bitter and twisted..... http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif



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Lord Shield 10-14-2001 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:
But then you'd get very resentful eventually that you didn't have YOUR soul, and you were the only person in the world that didn't. Even the nicest person would turn bitter and twisted..... http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif


I would kill myself before I got THAT twisted - nobody else would get hurt from it



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