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Cheers Vaskez,
I always learn new words in foreign languages on these threads, I love them. I used to be able to count to 20 in Japanese, but I can only rmemember as far as 5 now, my attempts at transliterations for 1 - 5 is as follows 1 itch 2 nee 3 san 4 chee 5 gor ------------------ http://website.lineone.net/~swhite10...ile/knight.gif http://website.lineone.net/~swhite101/sigfile/st.gif Holy Avenger of the OHF and part time Pinguindiebjäger |
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Most english ppl are completely incapable it seems of pronouncing the sound "gy" in HUngarian as in "egy" (one). The way to pronounce it is like the "d" in "dew" as in the dew on the grass. But all those who I've spoken to cannot seem to transport the sound from english into another language. Hehe. If u wanna know anything else just ask. |
I once know how to count to 40 in Japanese, that is how many push ups we did at wrmiong up when I trained Karate..
Now I know some obscure Hebrew words from training Krav Maga... Don´t know what they mean or how to spell though.. ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
Havent read all replies, but ill tell you about spanish.
Man is said "hombre", and it has always said "hombre" for designing the whole humans. For example, we say "El hombre ha ganado muchas batallas a la naturaleza" which literally means "the man has achieved so many wins against nature". Lately (last 1 or 2 years) feminism is rising (and i dont think its bad) so now we say more "La humanidad" (mankind) instead of "el hombre" (the man). This is happening with lotsa words. For example, "médico" (medic) or "juez" (judge) have always been words for both male and female, but now some people has started to say "jueza" and "médica" when theyre female (in spanish female words often end in "a", and male in "o"), which isnt correct in our language, but its politically correct. RIKARD: Uno Dos Tres Cuatro Cinco Seis Siete Ocho Nueve Diez http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/ertai.gif You up ?? Beware !! When falling, better fall from down |
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Still wandering off topic here so to steer us back on track I gonna ask does anyone here speak Norwegian, as in my work have had to accept Norwegian text in our program, and it seems to contain some German and some Swedish, but I've only seen a small number of words, can anyone give more information on where most Norwegian words derive from. ------------------ http://website.lineone.net/~swhite10...ile/knight.gif http://website.lineone.net/~swhite101/sigfile/st.gif Holy Avenger of the OHF and part time Pinguindiebjäger |
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Due to to battles in the Scandinavian all languages bare traces of each other but also from German and french since we "borrowed" some royalties from there during some tougher years. But basicly it has developed from far back as its own language. But you better ask a Norewegian about this, they probably would hate a Swedish wolf-fan as meself to describe their language http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
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Well isn't that what the Tre Kronor stuff is all about? ------------------ http://website.lineone.net/~swhite10...ile/knight.gif http://website.lineone.net/~swhite101/sigfile/st.gif Holy Avenger of the OHF and part time Pinguindiebjäger |
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Well almost, almost.. tre Kronor is also our Hockey team making us proud since they beat the Russians yesterday!! Yeay!! ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
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Good to see more people using Google http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
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Hmm have to check that one out thenm any good? ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
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Wolgir, I heard that Norwegian, Swedish and Danish were all originally the one language, and that it took 500 years for them to develop from accents to dialects and then full blown languages. Ultimately like all the Romance languages (French, Italian, Romanian, Spainish, Catalan) came from Latin, so too Deutsch, Dutch, Frisian, Danska, Swedish, Norse etc come from old Teutonic.
English is regard by linguists as belonging to the Teutonic group because of it's structure and fundamental words, but so much of the 'educated' and specific vocabulary comes from Norman French it should be regarded as having two parents: Deutsch and French. The interesting thing I found being in Singapore was that 'Singlish' is a language in development, with English and Mandarin being the two parents in their case. Both languages have affected the other. Got to go.. |
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Norway and Sweden are most alike and Danish have more continantal words than the rest. Finland belongs to another language group, Krylic I believ it would be. (I´m a bit uncertain due to swedish/english and my memory too..) I will have to check things up to get my words nd memory correct. Interesting with Singlish, reminds me alittle about Bladerunner, were they had a certain street talk made of chinese and english.. ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
Whew, back again.
Yeah Finnish and Magyar(Hungarian) are both in the Finno-Urgic(sp??) group, both originating in central Asia when the Finns had a huge territory they inhabited. Wolgir, do you know what group Lapps belong to? Or whatever happened to the Getes of southern Sweden? ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... http://www.animfactory.com/animation...ing_lg_clr.gif A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! |
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But they are a nomadic people and have lived here probably the longest. Getes? Hmm , have to see if I can get a swedish translation of that one... Can´t find it.. Hmm have to ask a friend of mine. he is a specialist on the human evolution and the great moves of different tribes.. That could how ever mean "Gute as in Gutarna" A people that lived during the gothic (gotisk) age in southern sweden and in eastern parts of Sweden. They did vanish and there are little references as to how and why. ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
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Well I can pronounce them, but they won't be right http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif especially since I don't know what the accents do. how would "kettõ" be different to saying "ketto" in English for example? ------------------ http://website.lineone.net/~swhite10...ile/knight.gif http://website.lineone.net/~swhite101/sigfile/st.gif Holy Avenger of the OHF and part time Pinguindiebjäger |
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Yeah it is Finno-Ugric. Although Hungarin and Finnish don't have any words that sound similar, unlike say, German and English. They are similar in that the stress is always on the vowels in words as opposed to it being on the consonants in English. I always thought that english and german, dutch etc. belonged to the Germanic ethnic group, or is that the same thing as Teutonic which someone mentioned above? Almost all languages in Europe are either Romantic, Germanic or Slav. Finno-Ugric is very rare. |
Vaskez, where are you posting from? Budapest? I have been to Budapest (long time ago) very nice city.
The Magyars and Finns are supposed to be of the same race, but centuries of Swedish rule on the Finnish side, and the Magyars being either surrounded or governed by Österreich, the Ottomans, Slavs etc has I guess, changed the languages somewhat. ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... http://www.animfactory.com/animation...ing_lg_clr.gif A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! |
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Yorick, I simply have to say you keep impressing me with your knowledge but also your eagerness to learn (whereas most people who know as much as you do would rest on their laurels, arrogantly assuming they know enough, you keep asking intelligent questions). Honestly not trying to lick your bootheels, just a heartfelt compliment. Wolfgir you also impress me in this respect! The most common belief w.r.t. the origin of Germanic languages holds that they all originated from one single root language, Indo-European. However, this IE is more of a useful reconstruction based on the earliest available languages such as Vedic Sanskrit than anything else, since we never actually found texts written *in* IndoEuropean. All germanic languages branched off from this Indo European language around the same time, which is why they all belong to the same root. There are also languages that are not Germanic (because they did not branch off), but which *do* stem from IE, such as Sanskrit, Latin, Greek etc. This branching off, occurring about 4000 BC was induced by a particular shift chance called Grimm's Law (yes, the same Grimm as the fairytales http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif) This shift is the reason why we have pairs like brother-frater (IE bhrater), daughter-thygater (IE dhugheter), father-pater (IE pater), kin-genus (IE genos). Grimm's Law can be schematised like this: voiced fricatives --> voiced plosives voiced plosives --> voiceless plosives voiceless plosives --> voiceless fricatives OK then, the Germanic Branch continued to split itself into West, East and North germanic. West Germanic developed into two strands: Anglofrisian, branching again in English (from Old>Middle>Modern) and Frisian; and German. German split into Low and High German, from the High version, Yiddish and modern German developed, from the Low branch came, amongst others, Dutch, Flemish and Afrikaans. The second big branch, North Germanic, first split into two: West and East. From West (Old Norse) came then Icelandic, Faeroese and Norwegian, from East came Danish and Swedish. (Which is we the swedish and the norwegians keep insulting each other http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif). Lastly, the East Germanic strand is now extinct, since the only known language that sprouted from it is Gothic, which nobody speaks anymore http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif (though my dad can still say the Lord's Prayer in gothic http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif ) OK guys, now I'm going to apologise for this very long and tedious lecture, which is not even of interest to most of you http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/redface.gif SORRY!!!!! ~bigbigpuppycutiedoggyeyes~ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif ------------------ Melusine, Archbabe of the OHF and the LH http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/mel1.gif Your voice is ambrosia |
If anyone needs a schematic version I'd be happy to give you one...'s about a 1,000,000 times easier http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
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Wow, thanks Melusine - for both the kind words and the info. Didn't know about Yiddish and Gothic for example.
I think you'll find all European Languages except Basque (which Ertai speaks BTW) originated from the said IndoEuropean. Georgian is also a bit different from memory. Cool post Mel, thanks. ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... http://www.animfactory.com/animation...ing_lg_clr.gif A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! [This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 05-11-2001).] |
Habba habba!
Thanks Melusine! That cleared out a whole lot of glitches I had in my head. Been some years ago I studied this, and I did study it in swedish. Some words do differ alot =) ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
Still, what happened to the Geats???
I think there were four Danish tribes; Angles, Saxons, Geats and Frisians who went on a little trip http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif across what is now Holland and Great Britain. We all know were the Saxons and Angles turned up, the Frisians give no problems either, but the Geats? I think they didn't get quite as far, I think I remember from Beowulf that they remained where they were (in what is now called Denmark). ------------------ Melusine, Archbabe of the OHF and the LH http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/mel1.gif Your voice is ambrosia |
Did a bit of research... it's about what I expected...
The Geats were a small race of people that lived in the area around Denmark about 1500 years ago. A samll race of people, they were often attacked by larger more powerful countries like France. After years of losing battles, the race bordered extinction. Then, a hero named Herothgar rose up and smote the Frankish hordes. The Geats were done losing battles now, the time had come for revenge! More heros came, and the Geats went on a full fleged offensive led by their great hero Beowulf, who tore the Frankish Champion in half. (Note from Mel: since we know that when Beowulf died he left a ruined kingdom, I suppose that explains the Geats's extinction - though we don't even know whether B. existed http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif) Brosings: Known in legend as owners of a magic necklace which Wealhtheow gives to Beowulf. Danes: Ruled by Hnaef; later, led by Hengest. Franks: A western Germanic people who lived in what is now France, they join the Frisians to defeat Hygelac. Frisians: A western Germanic people living in what is now northwestern Holland. Geats: Lived in southern Sweden; Beowulf belongs to this tribe. Heathobards: Germanic tribe ruled by King Froda and his son Ingeld. Waegmundings: Family related by marriage to the Geats' royal lineage; family of Wiglaf, Weohstan, and Beowulf. Hope this helps ------------------ Melusine, Archbabe of the OHF and the LH http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/mel1.gif Your voice is ambrosia |
I believe that some of the Geats if it is what I believe they are, we have different name for em here. They fled after their final defeat to a remote part of an island here in Sweden and some where still left in Denmark and some were more or less integrated into the germanic tribes..
This is however just speculations. Just recently we have found alot of new interesting historuc villages and archelogical proof to that the people before the vikings that lived here (the same but got that name much later) had been a part of the war against the romans in Germanic countries and that we used to both trade alot and that we had alot of mercanaries that joined i the wars around europe thoose days. We didnt have any larger cities but were a people of farmers and traders that lived in small villages. They have found a village in the middle northern part of Sweden which is thought mainly to be just wild country since most archelogical founds have been in Stockholm, Västergötlnad and in southern Sweden. This points to something new. ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/name.gif WOLF WINS EVERY FIGHT BUT ONE, AND IN THAT ONE, HE DIES |
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Moridin, Interesting thread! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif In Russian the nouns all have a grammatical gender which is separate, for the most part, from a being's actual gender and of course inanimate objects don't have any BUT grammatical gender. But as for use of 'human being/person' versus 'man', 'woman'...hmmmmm human being/person, would most often be 'chelovek' which refers to either gender. Hmmm.. this is most interesting...I hadn't thought much on it..but when one says 'young man' in Russian one uses "molodoi chelovek" but for a young lady, the word 'chelovek' isn't used! It becomes "molodaia dyevushka". "Dyevuskha", being the word for girl. And from other things, I guess I'd have to say that Russian tends to be closer in use for the terms you mentioned, to the American way of doing it. (the traditional one) Amber ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/bestow~1.jpg Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan Storm-Queen StormCloud of the Black Knight Heart Mind Soul Forever [This message has been edited by Cloudbringer (edited 05-12-2001).] [This message has been edited by Cloudbringer (edited 05-12-2001).] |
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Must be the addition of all that feminine mystique, no? *giggle* I am WOWman, here me ROAR! HEHEHE.... CloudLionESS ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/bestow~1.jpg Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan Storm-Queen StormCloud of the Black Knight Heart Mind Soul Forever |
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Hmm, the Magyars and the Finss do not come from the same race as far as I know. The 2 languages are very very different even though they are from the same language group. They are nowhere near as similar as say english and german. AFAIK there are no words that even sound the same like green and grun (with the umlaut!) in english and german. The race that IS related to Magyars is the Huns. There is a legend which says that the nations originated from 2 brothers, Hunor and Magyar. Although this is just a story there is some truth in that they are related. The Huns eventually left Asia about 500 years b4 the Magyars, destroying much of the western roman empire as u know and then somehow disappearing, merging with existing nations etc. Luckily the Magyars managed to survive http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif . Someone above stated that all European languages stem from Indo-European, IIRC HUngarin and Finnish do not. I know Hungarian(Magyar) originated from somewhere in Asia which is where the Magyars came from. A little note, although the Ottomans (damn turks!!!! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif ) and the Austrians did rule Hungary at some stage, slavs never did. Rather Magyars ruled all of Yugoslavia and some stage. The other damn nation that dared to attack Hungary is the Mongols http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/noncgi/smiles/mad.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif which was even b4 the Ottomans. I think you'll all have had enough of me by the end of this thread! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif |
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