Huh? How could this have been a necessary protective measure? It's not like you can point (half of) a crashing ship in the direction of a runway. I'll concede the idea that Anakin is supposed to be 'the best pilot'. But if he's the best, what about the rest? How would they crash in just the right way--enter the atmosphere at the right angle, manage (without being able to turn) to land in the exact direction of a runway?

All spacecraft take off vertically, right? And this episode took pains to add the scenes with mid-atmosphere traffic filling the skies of the planet. So the presence of a long runway like that seems anachronistic and added just to advance the plot. I agree that there would need to be safety measures, but a long, straight runway isn't going to help an out of control ball of flaming metal entering from an undetermined point in the atmosphere. Unless they had hundreds of thousands of such runways, but the planet seems pretty packed and I'd imagine real estate is expensive...

Too logical for a Star Wars movie, I know.

I have nothing more to say about episode III than:
The best movie I have ever seen in my life ;)

Saw it yesterday, and WOW, great ending to the three. I mean, action out the ass! [img]smile.gif[/img]


Come on Lucas, make 7 8 and 9. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I mean, look at the world record money this pulled in on a THURSDAY! People love this stuff!

Well, that's the part you have to stretch for, Mr. Mopery...so I just have to say large tractor beam projectors...I know it's a bit of a cop-out...

SPOILER (though we've already been giving them anyway)
Salinye...there really hasn't been any explanation to my knowledge about the possibilities for Darth Plagas to have created Anakin...though it's certainly possible.

The (previously) accepted thing was that Anakin was conceived by the Force itself, as the one that would bring balance....Hard to say if we're really supposed to believe that or not, really, but the possibility occurred to me too. Likely Darth Sidious killed Darth Plagas long before Anakin's birth, considering Sidious' age...

Oh, and Z, I say let Spielberg direct 7,8, and 9. He did pretty well on The Empire Strikes Back, after all.

Of course, let Lucas be the producer or something...but he shouldn't be allowed to direct the acting!

[ 05-22-2005, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: Ilander ]

Just remembered that funniest part of the movie was most definitely R2-D2 attacking the Superbattle Droid with his stun-gun-thingy and the droid kicking him around for that. 'twas pretty funny if you ask me.

In the conversation between Palpatine and Anakin in the theatre, I thought Palpatine hinted at two things;
1) Anakin was in fact conceived by Darth Plageas. This means that the Sith (possibly) knew about the Jedi Prophecy and turned their belief in a messias against them. If true, it's one hell of a plan to get back on the top.
2) Palpatine was Plageas apprentice and thus responsible for his murder. I don't know if this is true, but I certainly got that feeling when Palpatine told Anakin about it (not in his wording but more through the acting of Ian McDiarmid).

Star Wars 7, 8 and 9? Dunno about that. Money should not be the issue to film these three sequels. It probably will be, though.

Oh -- am I the only one with such an ammount of criticism? All of you guys (and girls) just mention that you liked the movie a lot. I had expected a lot more reactions against my points, possibly even some well-put refutals. Kick my butt already for not knowing my Star Wars-stuff! ;) :D

Episode 1- I watched it, I didn't like it.
Episode 2-I couldn't watch the whole thing, it bored me.
Episode 3-Amazing. I loved it.

It was very, very, very good.

My faith in Star Wars is restored. Well done Mr Lucas, well done.

Well, the only thing I remember not liking was the part where Darth Vader broke out of the operation table and screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" I thought that was pretty lame, but I really couldn't find much wrong witht eh rest of it ;)

Well, since you ask for it Link ;) Here's a good natured explanation of why you're wrong or mistaken (haha!)

1)Anakin beat Dooku relatively easily for a couple of reasons. Dooku had probably been told by Sidious/Palpatine not to damage Skywalker is one explanation. Another is that lightsaber battles are not often won purely by speed. A Jedi, using the Force, will conserve his/her energy, blocking as necessary and using the Force to uncover an opening in the opponents attacks. If Anakin has increased his control of the Force, then he would indeed not need to fight as fast.

2)Palpatine was a cocky, evil B&^%(^d, bent upon the destruction of the Jedi more than the turning of Anakin. He revealed himself at a time when many of the Jedi were off world so that he could more easily defeat the Jedi stronghold on Coruscant. The man thought steps and steps and steps ahead of his enemies, so it's perfectly reasonable to say that Palpatine only revealed himself to draw the Jedi out and destroy them.

3)The "NOOOOOO" part was melodrama mixed with bad writing, and we just have to live with it.

4)Kashyyk was shown because it is a Star Wars tradition to keep up with all of the characters...and Yoda was a main character.

5)The rise of Palpatine did not happen in this movie...it was carefully orchestrated in the backgrounds of Episode I and II.

That enough? Satisfied? I can go on ;) [img]graemlins/kidding.gif[/img]

I saw it, and I am duly appreciative of it. Rain hated the first one due to Jar Jar, thought the second was good, and LOVED this one. From a non-SW geek, that's a heck of an endorsement. We went to a clown's birthday party this weekend, and she happily discussed the movie AT LENGTH with all the geekhood present there.

Personally, I think this was the best flick since Empire. I would rate it 2nd in overall quality behind Empire, but A New Hope gets props for being the genesis of it all, and I don't want to ignore that.

Technology-wise this was by far the most ambitious movie -- and it was well executed. The only part that did not look as convincing visually was some of the Mustafar stuff, which was done by superimposing images over a filmed eruption on Mt. Etna. Perhaps, as one critic indicated, this was merely the result of being too ambitious with the technology. Ep. I was a landmark for the number of troops on-scene at one time. LOTR's "massive" program enabled LOTR to also accomplish these goals, but Lucas was first. AoTC saw the addition of numerous Jedi on-scene at once, fighting for the first time in concert. This movie superceded even that.

SPOILERS FOLLOW!!!!!
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Regarding Portman's acting, I think she was limited by the script. Plus, we didn't get to see a lot of it. I remember with Ep II he cut like 5 portman/Ani scenes that are in the "deleted scenes" section on the disk. Out of all that got over-filmed and subsequently cut, the romance thread is most prominent in the movies.

The fight in the Senate chamber was way cool. Sidious had his own flippityness to combat the ever-flippity Yoda.

I still have no problem with Obi beating Grievous. Grievous was NOT FORCE SENSITIVE. When 2 jedi fight, they sense the next moves and anticipate. Obi could do that to Grievous, but Grievous had no such capability to do likewise.

I did not like the "I have the higher ground- you can't win" bit at the end. It was in the video game, and I'd hoped it was changed, but there it is. I was like "Hey, Ben old boy, exactly HOW did you kill Darth Maul?" Regardless, Obi is my favorite character of the 6 movies now, bar none. I even liked his Dick Tracy investigation in AotC. And, he did leave Ani really gimped out.

Did anyone else think it was stupid to "Vaderize" Ani without first putting him in Bacta to get rid of the charred flesh and nastiness?

Mace Windu's death was waaay cool. He go bizzatch-slapped.

Speaking of which, all Palps had to do to avoid his own mutilation was QUIT FIRING THE FORCE LIGHTNING. Or, did he plan that? Could anyone WANT such a visage?

Why did Ani never confirm his understanding that Palps controlled both sides of the war? He certainly knew of this after the Trade Federation folks spoke of Palp's "promise" to them. I just wanted him to acknowledge it, and then make a choice, based on whatever reason. But, it was glossed over.

Yes, the battle droid boot-kicking R2 was a really funny moment. [img]graemlins/1drinkspit.gif[/img]

Regarding C3PO's mind wipe, now we know how R2 knew where to head to find Ben in Ep IV -- even though the Jawas stopped him.

Speaking of which, where did R2's bouncing out of the starships and jet flying disappear to between the two trilogies????

Interesting notion that Darth Plageus created Ani. It does not defy the prophecy, which would of course come true despite Sith meddling. Of course, we don't KNOW that Plageus was Palp's master. He could have been, but Palps could have discovered Sith knowledge of the tale elsewhere, among Sith artifacts. I have heard it mentioned that Palps was self-taught.

Note that the prophecy was true, and Ani did in fact bring balance to the force -- in Ep. VI.

Ani beating Dooku was not silly in the least. Having 3 years of combat training and further mentoring, he of course could have doubled in power. Between Ep. II and III he became, by Obi's own admission, a greater power than Obi.

I do love how it was the evil to be found in insecurity, envy, anger, etc. that led Ani down the dark path. He was in an unwinnable situation, and had a personality that was easy for Palps to manipulate. Between being so old when he started training, being so full of tragic flaws, and being thrust in the middle of the Senate/Jedi conflict, he was doomed from the outset.

A:Windu would have arrested him or killed him.

B:With a disfigured face, it was easy for him to make Windu and the Jedi look like they were at fault and help him gain favour of the people.

Well, that's what i think anyway's......

[ 05-23-2005, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: Hivetyrant ]

Saw it yesterday with my girlfriend. Though I had to drag her to watch it. Good thing is that she didn't fall asleep like the first two movie. Which tell you that this third one is quite good :D

In Star Wars : Clone Wars animation that was shown in Cartoon Network. In one episode, Grievous was sorrounded by 4 Jedi. Grievous killed 1, seriously injured 2. Which shows you how good his light saber fighting techninque is. Also he evaded a whole squad of clone soldiers shooting at him. He even escape a ship machine gun shooting at him. However, in the movie his light saber fighting techinque somewhat sucks! and he couldn't even evade obi wan kenobi's shooting at him. What gives? I'm quite dissapointed at that.

[ 05-23-2005, 04:14 AM: Message edited by: Kakero ]

As was I. Although it probably is true what you're saying, Timber, saying "'twas the Force that did it!" is a lame explanation.

Don't get me wrong, though. I'm a major SW-geek myself. It only seems I'm growing more critical as I get older. Is that a sign of wisdom? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] :D

No, it's the dark side. Careful you must be. [img]graemlins/starwars.gif[/img]

No, it's the dark side. Careful you must be. [img]graemlins/starwars.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]If leave you now, treatment you can get :D

Careful, buddy, or I'll have to do my Transatlantic choke-a-bitch move.

I think Palpatine was either:

a) playing into Anakin's weaknesses. Palpatine is a master manipulator, and it's possible that no one has this knowledge and that it was a lie.

or

b) it is possible, but only on yourself. Palpatine is really, really old.

BTW, did anyone else think he kinda looked like a scrotum? ;)

"Empire" was directed by Irvin Kershner, not Steven Spielberg.

[ 05-23-2005, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: krunchyfrogg ]

[img]graemlins/idontagreeatall.gif[/img] Aww man, Now I will never be able to watch that movie again with a straight face :D

Going back to earlier posts, do people think Palpatine was ever really in danger from Mace, or was he simply toying with him in order to make Anakin turn? As badass as Mace was, I can't see him actually beating the Sith Lord, but if that's the case, why would Palpatine disfigure his own face? To add to the effect for Anakin, since all he cared about was power? Opinions?

I guess it's just cool for a Sith Lord to have that scarey visage. The effect it had on Ani was a plus. Obviously, he wasn't as close to dying from the lighting as he said, because once Mace suddenly lost the ability to count to ten on his fingers, Palps lit him up faster than a doobie at a Dead concert. But, yeah, I think Mace could and did best him at saber fighting, especially since he had help. Palps probably, in that rare moment, actually left some of his fate up to chance.

His long-term plan had to be flexible and able to deal with uncertainties along the way. Dooku could easily have been killed on Geonosis. Obi got a jump-start by finding the cloners through the toxic dart. He probably didn't intend for Darth Maul to die. Etc, etc.

Oh the reveling in geeky talk going on here is just all-encompassing :D or something
just saw this tonight and yeah, I have to say it was pretty good, though only saw the others once each so can't really remember much to compare it with...

Saw it for the second time tonight... found some annoyances... mostly voice/sound related.

Obi's Lizard... god that sound is irritating, was so happy when it went away.

Was it just me or was the Battledroid's voice more squeeky than in the last 2... and the super battledroids were just stupid.

...anyone noticed reused wookie roars from the old trilogy? I did, and it was sort of cool bt also kind of cheap... [img]smile.gif[/img]

What I was wondering about is why Obi and Anakin had no trouble at all fighting a few feet above a lava pit. Toxic fumes, incredible heat anyone? They surely must have some super-duper protective robes in the future. And there I was, thinking they were only being trendy with their mysterious hoods!

Or is it all another Force-thing, Timber? ;) :D

*suddenly grips his throat gasping for air*

LOL - trans-a-what ocean would that be buddy? (chortle guffaw choke gasp arrrrgghhhhhh) [img]smile.gif[/img]

I bet Darth Timber is so powerful he's able to take the long route to Australia - taking a short stop in the Netherlands to choke me too - just for the hell of it ;)

Y'know Palpatine gets horribly disfigured wen attempting to use the force lightning on Mace Windu? Does anyone else think that that is what happened to Yoda?

Yoda started out as a 6 foot tall black guy before taking a sustained lightning blast. Thats my theory... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Exactly. It'll get there... eventually. If I had sent it via the West Coast, it would've taken longer because it would have to stop and spend some time killing most everyone in L.A. ;)

And, the teasing re the force thing is a tad unfair, guys. The force would obviously help one in a sword fight. As for the lava, not so much.

Just remember, any time you control the high ground, there's no way you can lose. ;)

Why a black guy? I think he started off as Jabba the Hutt's next in line cousin! :D

And Timber, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm in a lightsaber fight ;) The high ground wins! [img]graemlins/starwars.gif[/img] Come to think of it, Luke does a better job in this smilie! He jumps over Darth Vader without losing most of his limbs, and, to be truthful, Anakin should have had a deja-vu feeling at that moment.

I saw it the second time last night. Warning -- do not do this. It only gets worse. I wish I'd just kept the image I had from one viewing.

After reading the Spoony Movie Rant on Episode III, I seems to have developed a strong urge not to see the movie at all.

The review (or rant) is rather long, but it makes me laugh a couple of times. Read it if you have seen the movie already.

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[ 05-26-2005, 07:42 AM: Message edited by: Paladin2000 ]

imdb has some good trivia, including this

SPOILER


SPOILER: Samuel L. Jackson (Mace Windu) said he knew that he must die in this film, so he told George Lucas he would only do the film if Mace Windu goes out in a blaze of glory and not "like some sucka". On an American late-night talk show, he confirmed that he did indeed have a meaningful death scene; and he does not go out like "some punk".

Hooper X would be proud!


(This delves deep into Kevin Smith lore... good luck Hivetyrant! ;) )

Did anyone notiice the Millenium Falcon...?

I'm sure I saw it, or at least the same type of ship, very briefly after they made the emergency landing and their "Taxi" is landing on a platform at the senate, it can be seen docking their too.

The resemblaance is uncanny... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hooper X would be proud!


(This delves deep into Kevin Smith lore... good luck Hivetyrant! ;) ) </font>[/QUOTE]lol, Hooper would be damn proud

"Black rage....Black rage!!!"

[ 05-25-2005, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Hivetyrant ]

Whats a Nubian?

Taking a moment out of my busy day to make some comments. :D

But see that's just it, he DID fulfill the prophesy, there is now balance in the Force, 2 Jedi, and 2 Sith, rather than scads of Jedi and virtually no Sith.

Darth Plagious was indeed Sidious' master, it is mentioned in one of the novels, and again on Wikipedia. Palpatine knew of Anakin's origin and likely played upon that in his lies to turn Anakin (although it can also be argued that the ones who do the most lying most consistently are the Jedi)

I like Natalie Portman, and enjoy several of her movies, but she came across as bland and wooden as Anakin did in Ep 2, although Haden really impressed me, most of the time...

I was really expectig Sidious to leave Ep 3 unscarred, as it has been well documented in the extended universe that thedark side is bit like cancer and eats away at the physical frame of those who dabble in it extensively (in fact during one of the books it is revealed that the Emporer in SW ep4 is in fact a clone because the Dark Side destroyed Palpatines body so thouroughly that he had to clone himself in order to escape death, as he said those with power truly fear to lose it.

Dipping him in Bacta would have likely healed over the stumps of his arms and legs, making the addition of cybernetic limbs either impossible, or alot more painful. In addition in order to preserve the nerves that would operate said cybernetics time was probably of the essense. (when he lost his arm he did not use Bacta, when Luke lost his hand they also did not use Bacta)

Morgie, I have begun reading one of the SW novels, and I gotta say that I will never, NEVER, EVER base any "fact" or "truth" of the SW universe on these things. No wonder Lucas doesn't include them -- they're written at the level I wrote in 8th grade.

Timber, the quality really varies, check out the thread about the novels that Memnoch started.

It should also be noted that until Ep 1 All novels, comics, encyclopedias, video games, RPG material, CCG, etc were approved by Lucas himself, and accepted as canon, when making Ep 1 he discarded all material that was not in the movies (the Christmas special was kept canon as were the 2 Ewok movies as they were written and created by Lucas) from the established canon of roughly 16 years. I have heard no less than 5 "official" answers to what the Sith are (Darth of course being a title for a dark lord of the sith).