Fljotsdale, you know that you and I disagree wholeheartedly on this point. It just goes back to our discussions, doesn't it? Having my cake and eating it too. No, I really don't think so. Yes, our lives have been planned out and charted for us, but we are ones who do all the planning before we come to this earth. That doesn't mean that once we are here, we will change our mind about some little thing. I'm not talking big scale here because you can't change that.

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Yes and I also believe in karma.

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Absolutely not. I believe that you make your own life, and that "fate" (IMHO) is an excuse that some folks use to make excuses as to why their lives are not what they evision(ed) them to be.

My belief is that nothing is pre-ordained and if you want something to happen, you've got to go out and make it happen...

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Fljotsdale, I knew when I wrote my answer, that you would be here fast to reply. No offense taken at all. I love our discussions even though we disagree.

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If you view fate as deterministic, no I don't...that's static. Neither do I believe in pure chaos. There's a blend, a mixture; an equilibrium between the two states.

There are definite patterns in life, and I would call that "fate." An acorn is fated, if it develops, to become an oak tree. An acorn, try as it might, cannot develop into a human being, or a fish, or a skyscraper. It is, therefore, "fated" to be an oak.

But there are infinite variations on that which is "oak." That's where chance, and fortune, and determination comes in.

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EEEEEEeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm! I'd call thet 'genetics' rather than 'fate'. Genetics is a 'program', whereas 'fate', um... isn't! But I DO see what you are saying!

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Hey Sazerac!

i can´t help but to post this, but have you read the thesis that Chaos is all and nothing? More or less like goodlike worship or belief, that it is all around us, and yet not? It´s a philosophical debate about Chaos. Because chaos is not pure anywhere cause in the center it is both all and absolutely nothing?

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Yes I believe in fate. I also believe in faith. I also believe in the unexplainable because anything is possible with God.

Here is an example of how 'fate' worked in my life ~ if I hadn't joined Peace Corps and gone to Yemen, I would never have found and met dh. Yes he's American too, but he was from Syracuse NY while I was from Minnesota and we would NEVER have met without Peace Corps. That was fate. IMHO of course. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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