I believe pathogens can be grown in DihydrogenMonoxide, as well a mosquito larva containing the West Nile Virus. Very dangerous stuff this DihydrogenMonoxide. </font>[/QUOTE]Hasn't this stuff been the cause of many deaths by asphyxiation? It readily corrodes many metals. What makes them think it's safe for the air? ;)

Let us not forget that when these cars were first conceptualized Chicken Littles all compared them to miniature H-bombs running around town. :rolleyes:

Translation of the project:
"We needed to use grant money, and this is what we came up with."

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[ 06-13-2003, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Ah, but what's wrong with investigating the possible effects of bringing this technique into practise on a worldwide scale? If they are able to use this knowledge to point out potential problems in order to solve or consider them before entering mass-production, to make the entire process more effective and safer for the environment, then I'm not complaining; and if it's all one big load of drivel, no great loss either (except for grant money and some wasted time, of course [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img] ). You almost sound like you're afraid that the oil companies want to use an investigation like this one as an argument against the usage of hydrogen fuel, as if this is all one big conspiracy to discredit hydrogen as a good energy resource alternative. ;)
I can understand your underlying skepticism, I'm not completely without some of it myself; but honestly, I think a little bit of skepticism in a stage when it's still not used en masse isn't really a bad thing at all. I think the investigators quoted in the article sound reasonable about their findings and especially the error-margins in their conclusions; they're also focusing on a possible problem caused by leaks, not the use of H2 as a fuel an sich. [img]smile.gif[/img] And at least they're not spouting far-fetched and catchy-sounding paranoia-slogans like "the radiation in micro-waves/mobile phones causes cancer!" or "those cars are all miniature H-bombs!". ;)

Trust me, I'm pretty much on the (open-minded) environmentalists' side of things, but I myself don't believe by default in a "Holy Grail To Solve All Of Our Energy Problems Without Harming The Environment In Any Way And Shut Up Those Evil Oil Companies Once And For All, While Ignoring Any Possible Criticism Because It's All One Big Conspiracy Anyways, And Well Duh, It's The Holy Grail And Stuff! You Can't Criticise That! And Anyone Who Does Just Has To Have A Secret Agenda Or An Oil Company Financed Pay-Check". ;)

[ 06-13-2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

Can you say Hindenburg? :(

they still dont know what caused that, and the hydrogen burning destoyed most of the evidence. oh it may be better for the environment, i just hope that we can avoid a nast mess of explosive cars.

can you imgagine the car bomb of the future? :eek:

[ 06-13-2003, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Zero Alpha ]

well if there is no more carbon or oil emmision then there wouldnt be any ozone hole problems in the first place... just my 2c :D

When Dan Rather was driving the fuel cell van around on TV at 80mph, I became convinced. This technology has suffered over a decade of harsh review, including the "H-Bomb" thingy. Let us hope they got it right, and future scrutiny will of course prove or disprove this.

As for Hydrogen being released into the air, let us not forget it is the single most common element in the universe. ;) It began the Big Bang, if all the Big Bangers are right, and all elements developed from it. So long as its isotopes aren't being released, I think the science will tell us we're all right. Besides, how much worse for the atmosphere can it be than CO2. ;)

It is funny. You know, I once had to write a paper to EPA explaining how CO2 could be nominated a criteria pollutant under the Clean Air Act. Isn't it funny how much fighting we do about basic chemicals that have been around for ages. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]