As much as I detest PETA since their "Holocaust On Your Plate" campaign, they have a point.

Pam Anderson, huh? Do You Like Elizabeth Berkely?
Cesaer or Ranch? ;) [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]From the sex-appeal quiz: My favorite one that people generally don't know:

3. True or false: Milk does a body good.

ANSWER: False. Despite what the eyes-on-their-wallets dairy industry wants you to believe, drinking milk does not prevent osteoporosis; instead, the high animal-protein content of milk actually causes calcium to be leached from the body. Industrialized Western nations, the biggest consumers of milk, have the highest rates of osteoporosis, while regions of the world where dairy products are essentially unheard of, such as China and Japan, are virtually osteoporosis-free. Get the right amount of calcium from the plant world–tofu, broccoli, navy beans, sesame seeds, nuts, and fortified orange juice are all good sources.

So, no matter how much milk you drink, every drop causes a net loss of calcium. The ADA did a study on this 5 or 10 years ago and refuses to release the findings. Don't believe the hype about milk. ;) If you want more info, read the book Milk is Poison. If you like it, that's one thing, but don't go off thinking it gives you strong bones and teeth.

I think I'll head home to my own personal lettuce lady. :D

Oh - and Caesar dressing contains anchovies, while ranch contains dairy - just so you know. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 04-09-2003, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

What a PETAful letter, is all i have to say.

uhhhhhhhh....didn't the war start a few weeks back? And wouldn't the dolphins have done the job they were instructed now that the presidential palace is in US hands? Talk about pointless...

P.S. Why didn't they protest over use of seals as well?

I'm tired of this.

1. Milk is no better or worse than any other food consumed in appropriate quantities to provide necessary nutrients.

2. Yes, it is the breast milk of bovines. What's your point?

3. No, it's not pus. That's just a convenient false analogy to make it seem disgusting.

4. Anyone who truly beleives that humans are natural herbivores has not done much research on the subject. Completely herbiverous (grazing) animals all have ways to digest cellulose, the primary energy source found in leafy plants. We humans have no way to digest this substance and simply pass it through (fiber). Even with the ability to digest cellulose, herbiverous animals live to eat plants, chew and re-chew all day long in order to get enough food.

5. We are Omnivores! Do you hear that! OMNIVORES! We require some plant based foods and some animal based foods to get the proper mix of nutrients.

6. Modern science and food processing are the things that have made the Vegan diet possible. Without processed foods to fill in the gaps, the vegan diet is sorely lacking in certain vital nutrients.

Lastly, I am not knocking a HEALTHY diet. That's great! Nor am I knocking REASONABLE animal rights. Anyone with respect for life should believe in those anyway. I am knocking what I consider an extremist view, and the inability to accept what we are as human beings. Don't be ashamed to be at the top of the food chain! We're not perfect, but we're as good as it gets on this particular planet!

Well, all I said was you get no CALCIUM from it. It is NOT what it is advertized as. Personally, I do not restrict dairy from my diet.

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2. Yes, it is the breast milk of bovines. What's your point? 3. No, it's not pus. That's just a convenient false analogy to make it seem disgusting.

As I didn't say any of this, I have no "point" regarding it.

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4. Anyone who truly beleives that humans are natural herbivores has not done much research on the subject. Completely herbiverous (grazing) animals all have ways to digest cellulose, the primary energy source found in leafy plants. We humans have no way to digest this substance and simply pass it through (fiber). Even with the ability to digest cellulose, herbiverous animals live to eat plants, chew and re-chew all day long in order to get enough food. 5. We are Omnivores! Do you hear that! OMNIVORES! We require some plant based foods and some animal based foods to get the proper mix of nutrients. 6. Modern science and food processing are the things that have made the Vegan diet possible. Without processed foods to fill in the gaps, the vegan diet is sorely lacking in certain vital nutrients. Lastly, I am not knocking a HEALTHY diet. That's great! Nor am I knocking REASONABLE animal rights. Anyone with respect for life should believe in those anyway. I am knocking what I consider an extremist view, and the inability to accept what we are as human beings. Don't be ashamed to be at the top of the food chain! We're not perfect, but we're as good as it gets on this particular planet!

Agreed on all points - not so vehemently, but agreed. ;) Personally, I don't eat meat as a health/policy choice. I do not approve of factory farming treatment of animals, and I do not trust factory farmed food - meat most of all.

Regarding the top of the food chain, I agree again. If you and I went out in the forest and killed a deer ourselves, I'd eat it. But, many many people admit they would NOT eat meat if they couldn't buy it in 8-oz. pre-packaged amounts. I think that removing the act of eating meat from the acts of preparing meat dehumanizes us just a bit - to appreciate life is to see all sides, including the side that life must end for yours to continue.

Well, I have killed and butchered many a deer, dove, pheasant, and quail, and I hav boned many a chicken breast and thigh. I like cooking veggies because they are less trouble, but they also do not have the culinary potential that meat has. Chicken, for instance is probably the most versatile ingredient in the cook's armamenterium. Certainly, there is no discernable link to human osteoporosis that I am aware of, but I really do not approve of consumption of much milk after age 12, as it is high in saturated fat. Calcium is better obtained from calcium carbonate or oyster-shell calcium.

True story:

A friend of was walking to work one calm morning. Out of the corner of his eye he saw a flapping piegon, appearently attacked by a Falcon minutes earlier.
What would you do in this case ask yourselves...?

He nailed it to put it out of its misery and proceeded to work. Within minutes of his arrival PETA was there talking to his boss about the matter. He was repremended and scolded, he could have lost his job, sent back to work and nothing was ever said about it again.. (not me, although I would send it on its way myself.)

He should have nailed the PETA freak and put it out of all of our misery. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Sounds like an entrapment to me, how did the PETA people ever find out about what your friend did? and fast too?

He was walking across a median plain where even in the morning joggers jog and walkers walk ;)

Many whom are curious and have cell phones. Imagine running upon a 6ft man beating a yard bird, picking it up, and depositing it into the trash can and going to work across the median. Pretty heavy I know.