Yeah well...everything that ever happens, seems somehow inconvenient for muslims, isn't it ? We can't go here, because it's a holy city, we can't go there because it's sacred grounds, and so forth and forth and forth...

The death sentence is barbaric.

The sad news is not Saddams murder but that 3000 of the USA best have now died. :(

But then they can come here, rape and bomb!

[ 01-02-2007, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Bithron ]

Unfair trial and his death lets too many American, British and other Western politicians/military officers off the hook for their participation in his atrocities.

It's essentially nothing to do with justice, it's about as bad as the decapitation videos, it's just a propaganda murder. A killing for publicity and to kill your opponent's will to fight.

The death sentence is acceptable in some cases, but that's an entirely different subject.

And please, can we cut out the anti-Islam comments, here? I should like to think this place was free from bigotry. Comparing the Muslim fanatics that attack the West to Islam in general is like saying that the Unabomber is the way everyone from the West is, or Fred Phelps. Utterly ridiculous.

<font color=8fbc8f>So true! However, Western society, and the media in particular is what allows these semantics to be garnered. I'm sure there are very few people here who has a person in another country from a different background, race, and ethnicity that they communicate with. Ahmed, Ramul, and Ariel are the exception for a few of us, but they and I share some life events that can only be seen through the eyes of the beholder, and told from the heart, and not the ego! ~Thou I'm a military transplant here, I'm considered just 'a-good-ole-boy' by association of where I have chosen to plant my trees, and not for who I am in reality!</font>

I may as well admit I don't know many people from the Middle East who are in the Middle East, or even many people from other countries(Excepting North American and Australia.).

But in my experience with immigrants, just here in Denmark, I find that people from other ethnicities are exactly the same as the rest of us. There are good people, there are bad people, smart people and dumb people, all the facets of life that you're likely to find in someone with blonde hair and blue eyes, you're likely to find in someone with the name Ahmed, Raoul, Ivan or [Insert generic Indian, African and Asian names here.].

The media may mislead us, but we have some influence over how much we allow ourselves to be misled.

I guess the problem is that, across the board, the minority of individuals are speaking for the majority. You see this philosophy taking hold in the men's movement. I'm sure there are Muslims who are doing the same thing... reclaiming their religion and identities... but they need to kick up the volume a bit.

That's hardly an excuse only to recognize the minority, though. It's like demanding evidence of non-existence, people don't have to prove that they're good people, until someone fucks up, you have to assume that they're a decent person.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Sure, it would make things easier, but people still have to open up their damn brains for once and think. In today's Western society there's no damn excuse for not doing some research or being at least mildly educated.

Oh, I absolutely agree. I just think it's important to realize why the "They demand respect for their religion, but they're the ones bombing and executing people" folks feel the way they do.