This discussion is quite meaningless, over the centuries people all around the world *invented* tons and tons of classifying criteria - e.g. traditional Polynesian, the fatter the classier.

Class is a category for people who need to elevate themselves over other human beings. If you feel the urge to do so have a nice day while doing, at least it´s probably more amusing than the average TV program ...

Typical reaction of a pro to mid with a smattering of education and a bit too much liberal (U.S. meaning -- Leftist) angst. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 01-20-2006, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

Absolutely nothing to do with money.

I've never done manual work but I am, and will always be, working class! And bloody proud of it as well.

Mmmmm - if it is money is Wayne Rooney upper class?

BTW - a warning would have been nice on that link, I'd forgotten what bollix some people post!

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Typical reaction of a pro to mid with a smattering of education and a bit too much liberal (U.S. meaning -- Leftist) angst. [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Ok - because you are the starter of this topic I couldn´t resist but use the above wording. I think you know what I mean ;) ...

In other words this discussion is meaningless for me because *class* has no value per se. It´s just a *tool* you can use to reach your goals etc. It´s not that hard to be classified differently depending on the social context you´re in at a given moment. Just do the appropriate social *tap dance* and voilá - you´re at least somewhat rich / intelligent / saintly / (please fill in your favourite class).

Btw - what´s a *pro to mid* ? Never heard of that - I´m just a moron from outer space :) ...

To me class is manners, phylosophy, culture and attitude, it's a way to behave and has nothing nothing to do with social status or standing. People of high social standing like to think they have class, but it's really unrelated, they can be ignorant and vulgar, or have an "holier than thou" attitude, which is not class.

I remember visiting one of my father's friend. The guy is a millionaire. All he did was talk about his house, his big screen tv, the wall mounted tvs he had in each rooms, the audio system connected every rooms, how much he paid for the land, then he procedded to get totally drunk to incoherence on his expensive alchool. He probably thought he had class, but he doesn't.

I think many people don't know what class his. They'll see someone with money, a big job an expensive suit etc. and they'll immediatly think he's better than them and will deferate to him. If they see someone wearing cheap clothing or with a small job they'll think he's less than them. I think that's ridicullous.

[ 01-20-2006, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

In my opinion you´re absolutely right !!!
But that´s the way most people are and so you have to adapt. Life is all about assumptions and the better you guess or make others guess what you want them to guess the better you fare.
So *class* is deceiving at best and a risky thing if you rely on it too much. The best use for *class* is the use as a *tool* as described above.

Ok, ok - I stop saving the world. I´m off now - have a weekend worth being classified as *really nice* ;) !!!

<font color = lightgreen>Now you are getting into the confusion between "character" and "class". The man who blows a lot of hot air about how much money he has, what possessions he bought, etc. has very little character but might actually be in the upper social class.

"Lower class" or "working class" people are generally worrying about living paycheck-to-paycheck and don't have time for such frivoloties as what social class they are.
"Upper class" folks are comfortable in their status, so they don't worry about whether or not they are upper class--they know they are.
"Middle class" people spend a lot of time worrying about class. While they are trying to make enough money so that other people think they are "upper class" they are worrying that the upper class people think of them as "lower class".</font>

Meaning "prolitariat" to "middle class". In other words, I was chidding you that your post ranting against class was in fact evidence of exactly what class you may fairly fit within. :D

Assuming you mean my link, you should just yank up the cohones to come out and actually insult the people you are talking about, because it's not like we don't know who they are. Besides, the introduction to the link should have given you plenty of forewarning as to what you could expect. ;)

You yourself said you qualify class by "cultural level, their manners, and/or their intelligence". What kind of culture and manner does an host have if all he does is show off about his wealth and then get wasted? It seem to me he acted the same way a poor alchoolic does, but replace the fancy gadgets with the poor guy's car or wathever he like to show off about.

That guy has social standing, he's rich. But he has no class.

You know, your first and second posts are totally different. In the first you describe class as "cultural level, their manners, and/or their intelligence." In the second, it's based on money...

[ 01-20-2006, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

<font color=8fbc8f>How about a two worder, one namer?
Paris Hilton!</font>