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Originally posted by Desdicado:
Dr Goebbels actually raises a very interesting point, he was a very clever man who pioneered many of the propoganda tools used by Governments today, such as the US during the Iraq conflict.
The British government got us involved, doesn't mean the population agreed.
It caused the biggest demonstrations ever seen in the UK.
Anyway, time for a protein shake and a game of Might and Magic 7

Remember to hate jews while you're having that shake and game, Desdicado. It will keep you warm inside. [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Desdicado:
Well that's good Magik, thanks for clarifying that, I'm glad he ain't there, As for Tariq aziz, I didn't know taunting the US invoked an automatic death penalty, I'd better watch what I say now hadn't I, it might be me next!.

My main point was that what gives the US the right to say who lives and who dies?. That's what I'm getting at, if they tortured or killed folks, then fine they deserve to be punished, but after trial.

And I don't want any innocent people to be killed by either side.

Well so far, I haven't seen anyone killed or executed by the US outside the war effort itself. As for war crimes trials..there are international guidelines on those things. What give the US the right? What gives Great britain the right? What gives Germany the right....well pure and simple, the muscle to do so gives them the right to execute those people found to be guilty of war crimes. (Im sure there is some legal thing too)

Edit: If I am not mistaken Tariq Aziz, before he fell from grace with Saddam, and was removed to the post he recently held, was a cabinet insider of Saddams, which means he is probably also guilty of some of the same nastiness..or is at least complicit. 

[ 04-16-2003, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

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Dr Goebbels actually raises a very interesting point, he was a very clever man who pioneered many of the propoganda tools used by Governments today, such as the US during the Iraq conflict.

Actually the British and Americans pioneered most of the propaganda techniques used by the Germans. Hitler was actually envious of what the US and UK did with propaganda durring the First World War (He stated that they were the reason that Germany lost the war). Just look at how propaganda was able to turn the very pasifist US public into German hating mob in just a few months durring WWI, its probably one of the most impressive feets of propaganda ever. Goebbels gets far to much credit when all he was doing was changing the message, and making some small improvements on already utilized techniques.

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Originally posted by Seraph:
Actually the British and Americans pioneered most of the propaganda techniques used by the Germans.

And now advertising students get taught Hitlers methods.

Swastika or Giant Golden 'M' the principle is the same.

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Originally posted by Yorick:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />Originally posted by Seraph:
Actually the British and Americans pioneered most of the propaganda techniques used by the Germans.

And now advertising students get taught Hitlers methods.

Swastika or Giant Golden 'M' the principle is the same.[/QUOTE]I think Lenin said something along the lines of : "Fascism is Capitalism in decay."

[ 04-17-2003, 03:04 AM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

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The US wants the Card People to brought in FOR trial. We don't want them butchered. It's much better for all concerned that they be tried in a court of law. IMO, an Iraqi Court of Law.

There are no independant judges left in Iraq - neither will you find a jury that does not have an axe to grind. Any trial in those circumstances would be a show trial - with the outcome already certain.

The US administration knows it and the world knows it. It is not for nothing that the US has ruled out out the ICC or another UN appointed court.

[ 04-17-2003, 03:04 AM: Message edited by: Skunk ]