...no, all i wanted to say is : try to gather information from more than your own side and than - decide. If the opposing site states something its always 'propaganda' if your own side does it's the 'truth'. I know its hard to lay hands on pure FACTs but sometimes you manage to read between the lines...

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by norompanlasolas:
Ok, so many of you say that this Walker guy should be hanged, shot, buried alive, etc... But, you dont have to look so far to find traitors within your midst.

The Bush family has a long and recorded history of cooperation with the US direst enemies. Furthermore, their fortune comes from his grandfathers businesses with the Nazis. To access thousands of web sites with detailed information on the Bush/Nazi connection go to a good search engine such as www.google.com and type in Bush AND Nazi.


This is so much horse****!
I know some info may be exaggerated or phoney, but there are good sites listed and respectable sources that know what they are saying and have extensivily researched the subject.

OR, check www.campaignwatch.org to see how the Bush family has stolen from the government, and by doing so from the north american people. Or see how he ignored ecological concerns while he was in charge of an oil company (put there by the influence of his father, of course).

OR, see the ties between Bush father and Irak during its war with Iran, the Gulf War Syndrome and how the George Bush administration supplied Iraq with chemical and biological warfare materials, and allowed US servicemen and women to be exposed to them.

His collaborators and ministers? Just one example. Check John Ashcrofts history. White supremacism, dirty money, his resume is incredible. His brother Jeb. Well, his relationship with the cuban mafia of Miami is astounding. Real Estate fraud is his favourite, it seems.

I only post this so that you try and be a little more careful when pointing your fingers at this Walker guy. He may be a traitor, but hes 20 freaking years old, has probably been brainwashed and all in all, doesnt have a clue to what hes doing. Other traitors are more intelligent, and far more dangerous.

The greatest trick a traitor can pull is being treacherous and still looking like good, honest, religious and patriotic. So, is Bush a decent folk? Dont think so, he can pray all he wants, but he is as amoral as the rest of his family.<hr></blockquote>

Bush as a person doesn’t matter, he is simply a tool for the rich, and through his actions the will of Americas governing class is enacted. Large donations and advisors are the real power behind the throne. As long as this situation continues such people will hold power.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:
Bush as a person doesn’t matter, he is simply a tool for the rich, and through his actions the will of Americas governing class is enacted. Large donations and advisors are the real power behind the throne. As long as this situation continues such people will hold power.<hr></blockquote>

Yep, you got that right. Sadly, that happens in most modern countries. Basically, democracy is only a shitty way to cheat people into believing they have the power, when in reality its the enterprises that fund the expensive campaigns of would be presidents that hold the real power.

Argentina, Spain, US, Germany, and almost every democracy in the western world is like that.

Of course, they have the invaluable help from the leeches in the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and other organisms that help further the gap between the rich and poor nations. The foreign debt, endorsed by them and bought by dishonest businessman looking to profit from the misery and pain of others, is a heavy stone on the shoulders of 3rd world countries. Until people realize this, and start electing governments that are loyal to the them, instead of foreign interests, nothing is going to change.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by norompanlasolas:


Yep, you got that right. Sadly, that happens in most modern countries. Basically, democracy is only a shitty way to cheat people into believing they have the power, when in reality its the enterprises that fund the expensive campaigns of would be presidents that hold the real power.

Argentina, Spain, US, Germany, and almost every democracy in the western world is like that.

Of course, they have the invaluable help from the leeches in the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and other organisms that help further the gap between the rich and poor nations. The foreign debt, endorsed by them and bought by dishonest businessman looking to profit from the misery and pain of others, is a heavy stone on the shoulders of 3rd world countries. Until people realize this, and start electing governments that are loyal to the them, instead of foreign interests, nothing is going to change.<hr></blockquote>

only when people subscribe to Socialism & communism and embrace every worker as their brother and grow beards etc, will we see change.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:


only when people subscribe to socalism & communism and embrace every worker as their brother and grow beards etc, will we see change.<hr></blockquote>


And grow beards? ;)

By the way, many people of the world dealt with the Nazi's prior to WWII because....they were the government of Germany. While people knew they were doing evil things during the war, prior to the war they seemed no worse than any other nation. Timeline is important in this argument because the Allies didn't know the true evil of the Nazi's until the first concentration camp was liberated. We knew, especially the Soviets, of German brutality, but the degree and magnitude was unknown until we could see it for ourselves.

Unless you are implying Grampa Bush dealt with the Nazi's during the war, the statement is immaterial.

As to independant news sources, there is nothing wrong with looking at them and considering their point and information, but to choose them as a primary source would leave you woefully misinformed. If you look hard enough, you can find an article to support every possible point of view up to, and including that Osama is God, but are all of these articles fact and news reporting or are they editorialized sensationalistic reporting.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by norompanlasolas:
Basically, democracy is only a shitty way to cheat people into believing they have the power<hr></blockquote>


Looking around the world, I'd have to say if someone can sh*t me a better deal than I have now, as a US citizen, I'd like to see the orifice. ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:



Looking around the world, I'd have to say if someone can sh*t me a better deal than I have now, as a US citizen, I'd like to see the orifice. ;) <hr></blockquote>

Come to Canada!

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>
Originally posted by norompanlasolas:
Basically, democracy is only a shitty way to cheat people into believing they have the power
<hr></blockquote>

And what would you suggest, norompanlasolas? The dictatorship of the proletariate? Or perhaps, freedom thru labor?

To paraphrase Winston Churchill ...
"Democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the rest."