Well, American Patriotism offends me - heck, any kind of Patriotism offends me. I live with it, I realize that this is one of the side-effects of the German school system - an extreme dislike of patriotism. Or maybe it's just me. But, I mean, it's your country. You are free to display your patriotism as you want, why hide it? In another country would be a different matter. I could probably have phrased this more diplomatically, but I'm too tired, it's midnight.

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I think the point is that we worry too much about offending other people and end up being sniveling little whiners that can't take a stand on anything. Does our showing our flag offend you 250? and if our showing our national flag, IN OUR NATION does offend you, then what that man has said is totally true, you should consider leaving, because you obviously don't like our nation (not that I think any of this of you BTW). Meanwhile we have little whining *^$#% telling us we can't say our own Pledge of Allegiance or show our own flag, they are basically telling us that we can't have any pride or love of our nation at all because it might offend someone else. I'll repeat myself, if this country offends someone, then why the hell are they here?

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Well, it sure didn't take long for this thread to get hostile.

Whoa Ned lol, if you mean me I wasn't trying to be hostile, I noted in the post I didn't mean anything about 250, I was just fleshing out that paragraph of the article a bit so it wasn't misunderstood. i'm not pissed at anyone, I am a lil ticked off at the extremes we go to these days to be PC. If we lose our national identity over it...well that'd be pathetic. And it seems that that is the goal of a small group of people. The US is not the world, the US is the US.

Prime

It may be unproductive, but in these cases it's true. (If these cases are true, because I don't know).

If you are proud of, or for, America/American's this isn't aimed at you.

That saying is usually reserved for American's who are complaining about the state of things(Archie Bunker style), but if we've become so afraid that someone IN AMERICA may be offended by the AMERICAN FLAG that we take it down from ANYWHERE at ANYTIME, then that's wrong.

It's wrong no matter what the local, state, national, or global situation. Whether you are an American or a vistor, if the diplay of the American Flag offends you, you shouldn't be here.

The items listed in that email are a prime example of the reason American's think we try to make too many people happy, at our own expense, both at home and abroad.

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Yorick E-mail me a copy please you should have the address if not you can get it in my profile.

God Bless America!

I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the Untied States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands
One nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.

It amazes me that there are people WHINNING about words, yes I'll repeat that WHINNING about words, when there are 5,000+ dead humans. But these must be sensative, can't we just get along crowd are WHINNING about words. People have had their lives ended they can no longer enjoy the blessings or hardships of this life, THEY ARE DEAD. But we have to listen to people WHINE about words, and worry about offending someone.
Bite me! all of your proceived offensives in the world combined and mulitplied by Pi are not equal to one human life!

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There is sobbing of the strong,
And a pall upon the land;
But the People in their weeping
Bare the iron hand:
Beware the People weeping
When they bare the iron hand.

--Herman Melville (written after the assasination of President Abraham Lincoln)

I have also seen this. It's sick. We live in AMERICA, the land of the FREE. Free speech, freedom of EXPRESSION. I would fight them to the end to fly my flag. If you are offended, get the hell out of the country! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif Or deal with it.

Another thing I have been hearing--SOME anal people are offended by the word "GOD" in the National Anthem. OK.... Well, then you better get rid of all your money too.. that should offend ya as well.. Morons... people are saying 'well, just remove the word God'. Well, that's nice and all, but then it isn't the national Anthem damnit. (Sigh)..

Politically Correctness is a pain in the ass sometimes.. goes TOO far sometimes.

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dis is de only thing I've seen, so far, that makes good American sense!

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