I agree, Epona. If you can do your job, I don't care what pills you're popping on the weekends, just like I don't care that you have 8 glasses of wine at night.

<font face="Verdana" size="3" color="#00FF00">Timber is correct, if the job says it requires drug testing, and it says so when you are hired or company policy changes and they get you to sign a new contract then they can do this. You are not being forced to you have the option of going home, taking a sick day, find work else where etc.

The reason that this do not find this disturbing is there is quite a few jobs were a hangover, caffeine high can affect the work. Air Traffic controller, Surgeon, pilot etc. Then there are quit a few that it would not bother me as much take a lawyer for example. [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img]

The same thing applies for SIN numbers, you don't have to give an employer your number but you might as well go home as I doubt you will be paid.</font>

[ 02-27-2004, 09:57 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

This is what I think.

If you do use drugs and you get caught in a drugs test, its going to cause hell. Your parents would be pissed, all your mates would probably laugh at you and all your teachers would probably find out. Everyone would then know, even if it was just this one time at a party or whatever, I think the Government have no right!

It also puts pressure on kids, if they get asked to take a drugs test and they refuse, as they are worried say that something may show up, even though they havent taken drugs (they may be worried about spiked drinks, about some vitamins or something doing it etc.) then they will be suspected to be a drug user, there parents may find out etc. and then again it will cause hell.

Anyway, what are the Government trying to achieve here. The schools that have bad drug problems often have 100's of kids using drugs, they can just get them all off of them, then there are the occasional users, they dont often need help, it will just antagonize everyone.

I personally am totally against this, and agree completely with Epona. I mean I know people who use drugs, although I wouldn't say any of them are in a bad state, they just use them for a good time.

I would also think that this may cause increased Truency, I mean if you take drugs then like you said Timber, you may just skive the next day so that you wont have the possibility of getting busted.

A real load of nonsense.

Good. *hic* [img]graemlins/drunkass.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/goodmorning.gif[/img]

[ 02-27-2004, 09:59 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

<font face="Verdana" size="3" color="#00FF00">
While I agree with you RoSs_bg2_rox that it may be a pile of crap. Schools are run and controlled by ther government. If your kid wants to do drugs go to a school were they tell you thay will not do Random Drug Searches or a private school, as many parents don't want there kids around drugs and not in a learning environment. The problem with the world today is schools are being run by the kids not the teachers, I would bring back the strap as well.

As for getting caught with a hangover, don't party on Sundays to Thursday. They should really be doing homework anyway.</font>

[ 02-27-2004, 10:07 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

Ah, but Pritchke, the tests are mostly for marijuana... It's fat-soluble, and can linger in your system for a month or two.
Heroin and cocaine, on the other hand, wash right through.
It's just STUPID! They talk about the drug 'problem' like marijuana destroys lives. It doesn't. Not as much as alcohol does. Or cocaine, heroin, LSD, club drugs, and an entire slew of other drugs that WON'T show up on the test.
Feh...

Of course, those with jobs are not required by law to remain within that employment - they choose both to accept employment on those terms and to leave rather than to take the test.

However, children have a legal duty to attend school (and their parents have a legal duty to ensure their attendance) - and were these 'guidelines' to be introduced into law, they would be struck down by the EU Court of Human Rights, as the child would effectively be forced to undergo a medical examination without their consent (or that of their parents).

Of course, these new rules are merely guidelines and the school will still need the permission of the parents - and those kids who are on drugs will naturally refuse to consent - making the whole thing an absolute farce.

[ 03-01-2004, 08:15 AM: Message edited by: Skunk ]

Isn't it nice when the government shows you that they are more able to raise your children that you yourself are? What a lousy parent I am. I should make my government adopt my children since I know nothing of raising them... :rolleyes: Drug tests for all politicians elected I say! Somehow I don't think that law would pass...