gee, none of my students ever came back and thanked me for the memorization or tests, either - go figure
I have been thinking of volunteering to help my old high school speech and debate team - i started speech the end of my junior year - just enough meets (3) and i did well enough to go to the state NFL meet the first year. my senior year, i tore it up, almost got my ruby NFL pin, but did get the saphire, and placed 7th in the state that year in extemporaneous speaking - picked it because impromptu was to scary, and things like oral interp and expository and debate were too much work! (like your typical high schooler) I just wish i had started my soph year, i know i would have ended up with the double ruby and a national shot, alas. lololol
that is great that you teach that, FB, people wonder why (students who have to take it, mostlyhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif ) speech is so important - fear of public speaking is a steady 46% of the population's greatest fear, most of the time a greater % than death will get on those type of surveys!


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what do you usually do when a student cannot get up and talk?

I threaten them with "the rack" and all of those other wonderful medieval torture devices found in Irenicus's dungeon http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif.

Actually, I use a combination of quiet encouragement with a nice threat or two. Nervousness actually reduces sharply if the student is well prepared. I spoke to a parent's group the other night and I explained it this way.

All of my students got up to give the first speech. The speech was a self-introduction and the student needed to talk about his/herself for one minute. Since students know the topic (they know themselves) and it's a short speech, the students aren't extraordinarily nervous. Using the same rule for other speeches, the more I can get a student prepared for the speech, the less nervous he/she will be.

I also threaten the students that 1) the course is required for graduation and 2) if they don't give their speeches they will fail the course.

I only resort to the threats as a last resort -- usually with a student who is too lazy to do any work and/or has failed speech before and is repeating the class.



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well, I am a stutter. what do you think you will do to me if I go to your class?
I would be prepare and stand up, and talk... but I am 90% sure I would screw it up. have you had this kind case before? I mean, I am sure I will be left rotten and forgotten in the corner... http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

just like to know what you would do to people like me http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Hi Father Bronze,

I'm also the reticent type and have had to force myself to speak coherently during office meetings (at first, it was a case of blustering and I was so, so embarassed of myself because everyone would look at me trying to understand what I was trying to say).

These days, especially when I give presentations to say 30-40 pple, I keep telling myself that my bosses are watching me and I had jolly well not foul up! Not the best technique, I know, but it's been relatively effective so far.

Would you have any advice for me, too?

Father Bronze!!! :0 I am just having a little fun here...http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
I think I could be a good debator..if only I could come up with something of my own and not just twist other peoples words around http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif</p> Keep them straight! I think ToB should be next course ,ok http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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[This message has been edited by Conan (edited 10-04-2001).]

The course is required for graduation, then? Good for your school district!!

When I was in HS, speech wasn't required. I never had to give an oral presentation on anything, and was completely unprepared for what was about to hit me when I went to college. Talk about doing some quick learning! I'm glad to see that the trend, at least in your particular area, is changing.

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I never grade someone down for the way they speak. I've had quite a few foreign exchange students in speech class and they do very well. Sure, I'd love to be able to help everyone have perfect diction, but there is only so much that a teacher can cover in an 18 week course. I just hope that my students gain some confidence in public speaking and that they understand how to organize a speech.

And no, I don't leave anyone "rotten and forgotten in the corner." I pester them at least once or twice a day http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif



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You know I've spoken in front of students every day of my teaching career. I've done presentations to groups of teachers (audience of 75-100+) and I have to say that getting up in front of my colleagues is the most stressful situations I know. I too feel that everyone is watching me (including my bosses) and that if I goof up, everyone will notice.

1) Preparation is the key. The more you are prepared, the less nervous you will be. Imagine if you had to give the presentation without any preparation. Wouldn't you be a heck of a lot more nervous?

2) It's never as bad as you think it is. If you lose your place and it seems to take forever to get back on track, remember that nervousness makes time inch by. You may be standing there for 30 seconds of silence, but it seems like everyone was staring at you for at least 3 minutes.

3) I bet your boss gets nervous too. Imagine if you boss were critical of you for giving a bad presentation. Don't you think you (and everyone else in the office) would be a lot more critical of your boss the next time (s)he gave a presentation?

As a speech teacher there's a lot of pressure. My students always comment when I say "um" or when I forget what I was going to say. I'm held to a higher standard because "You told us not to do that. How can you expect us not to say 'um' when you say it yourself?"

And hey, if your technique (scaring yourself silly) works, great. I might have to try that one myself http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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Same here (or have you forgotten? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif)
I think that speech class could help - as we both know, the more nervous you are, the more you stutter. As FB's class helps students become less nervous, we'd probably stutter less http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif sounds good http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif unfortunately not that easy http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif.

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