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AzureWolf 06-12-2001 10:25 AM

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Bahamut 06-12-2001 10:30 AM

i think they base it on economic progress or something... we are called a 'third world' country.. or maybe colonization?

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Moridin 06-12-2001 10:38 AM

If I remember correctly the 'definitions' for 1st, 2nd, 3rd world are:

1st world: Fully industrialized and technologically advanced, privatized industry, independent and stable currency
2nd world: Making the transition between state owned and privatization. Therefore most of the Eastern European countries are catagorized here. Also most of these countries have an independent currency, but it is 'pegged' to an outside currency (i.e. dollar or pound)
3rd world: Very little or no industry (i.e. agriculture based), a currency that is worthless or nonexistant (an outside currency is used or a barter system is used, a chicken for a bag of rice http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif)

These are 'rough' definitions but they should help http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...les/ponder.gif


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antonius 06-12-2001 10:54 AM

I thought the emphasis was more on the industrial bias (primary/secondary/tertiary) than anything else, but I suppose, ultimately, it's a subjective term based loosely on all the factors mentioned

Billikins the Bold 06-12-2001 11:52 AM

Now, this is going back some years as I graduated with a degree in International Relations in 1990 but...

IIRC, the term Third World was coined by a french chap (Les Tiers Monde if my french is still up to it) in the post war period. I'm not sure that he explicitly defined a First and Second world, though I'm sure the implicit definitions are as above.

There was always some problems defining these zones though due to anomalies such as Saudi Arabia, As Memnoch has already said the term LDC (Less Developed Countries) was used for a while, as was UDC (Under Developed Countries) but these things tend to be fairly fashionable. In fact, I think I've heard the term Fourth World used with regards to SE Asian "tiger" economies in the 1980s.

Apologies for my crap memory.

btw, Yugoslavia was one Eastern European country that wasn't in the Warsaw pact due to a fall out between Stalin and Tito. Hence they developed a system where the main army was mostly cadre with the bulk of fighting forces being local militias trained and equiped (with locally stored weapons) for guerilla warfare, in case the Warsaw pact did invade. Does anyone see the potentail pitfalls in this arrangement?

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Charean 06-12-2001 12:28 PM

Thank you Moridin for refreshing my memory... I used to know that when I was in college... but sadly, it has been a while. And thank you also, Billikins the Bold, for pointing out things that I had skimmed over in class, i.e. the origins of the term and such. Ah such dry facts that now seem a little more pertinent.

Funny how they term the 1st - 3rd worlds in terms of economics... I think were we to look at social advancement, the countries would fall in a much different order. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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