I apologize for the un-intentional spoiler, <font color="silver">Luvian</font>, but I didn't mention anything beyond events from the first book The Fellowship of the Rings. With the length of time the books have been out (not to mention the new movie), I assumed the information would be pretty much common knowledge....especially among fantasy readers.

<font color="red">khazadman</font>,
Check out the Dragonlance books by Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman. <font color="red">Raistlin Majere</font> is definitely in the same class as <font color="yellow">Elminster</font> and <font color="white">Gandalf</font>.

Gandolf would whoop, Rock on, bury that Balrog

Booya! Rand could unleash saidin on all their asses and balefire them to hell :D . Nice to see other Robert Jordan readers out there! But i agree you cant really compare Gandalf to the other 2...though im sure he'd stick em to the wall with his magic like Saruman does to him in da movie :D . And yes Gandalf the White is better then grey..i remember when he sizzels poor legolas's arrow...hehe!

YES! Other Wheel Of Time readers!!! Have you read the 9 book so far? I can't wait for the 10th one, as soon as it come out I am buying it.

If you liked The wheel of Time, I strongly suggest you also read the "A sing of Ice and Fire" series by Goerge R.R. Martin and the "Axis" and " Wayfarer: Redemption" trilogies from Sara Douglass.

As for the lord of the ring, I only read the first one, and that was years ago.

Wait a minute...I thought D&D was loosely based off of Tolkien?

not completely. though the main source came from tolkien.

Raistlin would win. He DID take out Takhisis and then Paladine after that. He was THE supreme being.

dont forget, Elminster is also a master psionicist, along with all of his mage abilities.

Let's look at good and evil.
Gandalf and Elminster would never fight one another, it would be contrary to their alignment.
This leaves poor old Raistlin out on a limb. With this in mind, putting the three in a room would leave poor old Raistlin a little cooked.

If we assume the three were on level pegging with spells we need to look at their other abilities...

Elminster has his Psionics.
Gandalf has his fighting prowess.
Raistlin ... ?

Good discussion thread.

Takhisis IS Tiamat.</font>[/QUOTE]Actually, Takhisis is an aspect of the deity better known in the multiverse as Tiamat, the Queen of Evil Dragons. As an intermediate deity, Tiamat has the ability to have multiple aspects on different worlds.

In addition to being the evil goddess Takhisis on Krynn, Tiamat also has a small but growing following in the southern lands of Faerun (Chessenta, Unther and the lands south of the Inner Sea). Her primary role, however, is as the five-headed Chromatic Dragon who guards the entrance to Dis, the second layer of Hell, from intrusions both celestial and abyssal. Her lair is on Avernus, first layer of Hell.