Tiamat, do you mind me asking a question? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Ubering is where you avoid dying at all costs and when you do die you come up with some lame excuse to keep on living, or just create a new character even more powerful than the last. I don't uber, I get help from other people to assist my abilities with spells and plus I have admitted defeat when it was rightfully given. If you don't know about some spells, just ask us and we'd gladly tell you the effects. Ignorance is no reason to complain, at least not in my mind, if it's brought on by the complainer.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this has become a personal griping match and as such I want it to go to pm. You have the alternative of discussing the issue calmly and without casting aspersions or insults on each other personally.

I will gladly discuss the issue in pm or im as needed. I expect we can find a solution and hopefully soon. I will be in and out of the forum tonight and will be on tomorrow evening as well. I will check my email and pm's too.

Cloudbringer

Speaking from the stand point of a WAY lenient DM, those are nice NPCs you got there - they'd make great bosses to fight at the end of a couple of long campaigns. But they would be a bit much as starting characters. And a good DM would always have a bigger baddy to bring you back to Earth (or whatever planet you are on currently) I remeber once that I made the comment about being a bad A$$ once. I was quickly teleported to the Abyss and went hand to hand .... more it's hand to my head, my head to the floor .... with a PrinceLord Demon...right before I had my head ripped from my shoulders, the DM passed me a slip of paper that said, "and you wake up in a pool of sweat, learning the lesson that no matter how big or bad, someone is always smarter/faster/stronger. IN RPG, it's the strength of the whole, not the strength of the unit...

Words of RPG wisdom. Just have fun. It's much harder to win with a weak character than a Strong one.... [img]smile.gif[/img]

BK

sorry folks but from the standpoint of past DM as well as player these characters are absolutely ridiculous. I could be like ok well my character is a 1/2 god which makes him invulnerable to any earthly weapons and magic. the only thing that would be able to even harm him would be one of the diamonds off of bhall's old mace, which is currently missing, but proposed to be somewhere in the lower planar region in some sort of private planar rift, controlled by my character. until that mace is recovered by someone else my character is invincible.

now that was some absolute crap. Roleplaying that character wouldnt even be fun. And if you would find it fun then maybe this type of roleplaying isnt what you are looking for. you'll want to shadowkeep yourself a character in BG2 or something. IMHO

Sad that there should be so much politics even in the world of role-playing...

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<s>I agree with Cloudbringer.
We don't need arguments in here.
If you have a quarrel with another player,
take outside this forum.

Since people continue to post after Cloudy's request, I need to lock this up, <u>plus the fact that we have two threads on this forum about the same thing.</u></s>

This is a difficult conversation to handle, and I hope that you will take Cloudy's offer and mine to help out in explaining what Uberism is and how it causes such strife. </font>

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Ok...I have been thinking and listening to counsel and I have agreed to open this thread back up, as well as leave the other thread that has arrived from General Conversations forum.
We really need to talk openly about the issue, since it seems that some members wanna leave the forum instead of allowing us to clear matters up.

Note>>>Do not give up hope. Let Cloudy and I talk to each of you about it, and we will have this place available for everyone to enjoy. This sorta thing takes a bit of effort to work on. </font>

[ 04-02-2002, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]