if you can lure them back to the castle area, hide in the moat (near the drawbridge) and peak out once in awhile. You can sometimes see them at certain angles, when you do, blast them with incinerate, or better, and duck back down. I had success doing this, and they don't seem to see you or get closer. Might have been a fluke but worth a try.

Buzzdog (welcome to the board): that's a good trick but it can lead to disaster at night... especially if you don't know the way to Shurugeon. My advice... wait 'til morning or move slowly and be on the lookout http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

BTW: if you are very silent past the burned house, you can usually hear the Mandtrap coming... trust me, you'll hear them http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Ryanamur (edited 08-27-2001).]