wasnt talking about the warders! thats pride love etc, im talking about durlag himself, you meet his ghost on the lowest level, but oh well [img]smile.gif[/img] glad i was of some help [img]tongue.gif[/img] and yeah this forum answers questions within a day almost always, you will have a problem coming up with a question noone here can answer as were all sad bastards who have played these games through completely [img]tongue.gif[/img]