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Marty4 07-12-2005 09:51 AM

Maybe Big B should be given similar special abilities to that of CHARNAME. He could DUHM at the beginning of the fight, and cure himself. Maybe even transform into the slayer if the going gets tough, but thats a stretch.

Neo the Warrior Cat 07-12-2005 11:21 AM

Well, you'd have to do some super mega cheese to get a hold of 6 Robes of Vecna and 6 Amulets of Power [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Dundee Slaytern 07-12-2005 12:56 PM

1 Mage/Sorcerer = 6-8 PRATIs

Lord 07-12-2005 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Marty4:
Maybe Big B should be given similar special abilities to that of CHARNAME. He could DUHM at the beginning of the fight, and cure himself. Maybe even transform into the slayer if the going gets tough, but thats a stretch.
Why should he be able to turn into the slayer? He hasn't lost his soul to have the slayer take over his body. Giving him similar abilities to CHARNAME is a good idea.

Illumina Drathiran'ar 07-12-2005 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Lord:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Marty4:
Maybe Big B should be given similar special abilities to that of CHARNAME. He could DUHM at the beginning of the fight, and cure himself. Maybe even transform into the slayer if the going gets tough, but thats a stretch.

Why should he be able to turn into the slayer? He hasn't lost his soul to have the slayer take over his body. Giving him similar abilities to CHARNAME is a good idea. </font>[/QUOTE]You can still go Slayer after you get your soul back. But I think it's against Balthazar not only to become the Slayer, but to use any of his Bhaal powers. He's trying to remove the taint from the land, correct? Then why on earth would he go Slayer, moving him closer to the taint he's trying so hard to stamp out? That's why him being a monk seems right. It's all about mastering yourself.

GoblinZ 07-12-2005 05:57 PM

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He should have faster than normal movement for even a monk since he has so much of the Bhaal essence in him.
Just like CHARNAME? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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The lunar stance is supposed to make him cause extra fire damage and I think it heals him too IIRC.
Oh, well, i never bothered checking up on if it does anything, since it still doesn´t do enough to save his sorry ass. [img]tongue.gif[/img]


So... Anyway...
Instead of Bhaal powers, i think some sort of psionics would suit him better...
I mean, the question is, since he´s such an lousy fighter, then what HAS he been practicing all that time? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Lord 07-12-2005 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by GoblinZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />He should have faster than normal movement for even a monk since he has so much of the Bhaal essence in him.
Just like CHARNAME? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
</font>[/QUOTE]No. It was never stated that CHARNAME has to be a monk. Monks can't be hastened, but I suggest having his lunar stance or something cause his movement rate to increase even more. Well, it actually doesn't even need to increase his movement rate. Maybe it could just give him an extra attack or so per round.

SixOfSpades 07-12-2005 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
But I think it's against Balthazar not only to become the Slayer, but to use any of his Bhaal powers.
What about the passive ones, like permanent Negative Plane Protection or Physical Resistances? While I agree that he certainly wouldn't use Slayer Transformation or Hand of Murder, he certainly needs *SOMETHING* if he's going to stand up to the PC (let alone the entire party), and that something could come from nothing other than his Bhaal essence. He probably wouldn't see anything wrong with using it to enforce his views on what should become of the Bhaalspawn situation: If his Bhaal essence is what got him INTO this mess, then it can darn well get him OUT.

Illumina Drathiran'ar 07-12-2005 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
But I think it's against Balthazar not only to become the Slayer, but to use any of his Bhaal powers.

What about the passive ones, like permanent Negative Plane Protection or Physical Resistances? While I agree that he certainly wouldn't use Slayer Transformation or Hand of Murder, he certainly needs *SOMETHING* if he's going to stand up to the PC (let alone the entire party), and that something could come from nothing other than his Bhaal essence. He probably wouldn't see anything wrong with using it to enforce his views on what should become of the Bhaalspawn situation: If his Bhaal essence is what got him INTO this mess, then it can darn well get him OUT. </font>[/QUOTE]I didn't think about the passive ones. I agree on that point; I just can't see him using the spell-type powers.

And I agree, he DOES need something if he's going to stand up to the PC. Maybe you proved yourself wrong... He certainly doesn't do a good job of standing up to the PC. If only he had used his essence...

Sir Goulum 07-12-2005 10:55 PM

Maybe a mod where, in the beginning parts of the fight, he doesn't use his bhall powers out of whatever belief he has, and then when he gets to near death or something, a conversation comes up, and he comments on how much better you are than he thought or something, then he starts using bhall powers? Stupid idea?


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