I think they were talking about Ivellis.

Once your ranger has Fallen in Hell, there's not much more you can do about it. By that time it's too late to do the ranger stronghold even if that would work (and I'm not convinced that it would).

Ow, my bad, sorry 'bout that.

Yes we were talking about Ivellis's character.Exactly how after you rescued Garren's child and if you are a fallen paladin you regain your class, same is if you are a fallen ranger; when you kill Umar you regain your class back. And as i said before, you finish hell and the game, you save your character and start the game. You can install Dungeon-be-gone for doing this quicker. Then go to the Slums, bla bla bla then Government District talk to Delon, go to the City Gates, then to the Umar Hills and do the ranger stronghold, regain your class, save your character and that's all.

I guess I've never seen the interest in starting the game over with a character that's already been through the game once. It doesn't really make sense from the role-playing sense, and it seems like the 2nd time through might be a little unbalanced if your character starts at such a high level.

Yet again the talk about powergamers and roleplayers... The point is to get your class back and regain your honour.(he lost his Ranger class)

This is 100% true btw, I lost my ranger class by curiousity. I think it was the nymph cloak test. I did the quest the good way, saved and asked the guy about the cloak again, just to see what it did. Then all hell breaks loose (now THAT's a bad joke [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] ) and I'm a fallen ranger. Reloaded and carried on. Not much for roleplay but who cares [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Ohhh, then you won't need my advice ;) . It's still good to know...